Guest Guest Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 or maybe...students will be able to focus on school instead of unimportant issues like clothing styles.... Uh, they don't get dressed AT school...that's all taken care of before they even get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Uh, they don't get dressed AT school...that's all taken care of before they even get there. Unfortunately it isn't done well, otherwise there would be no need for uniforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Unfortunately it isn't done well, otherwise there would be no need for uniforms. It doesn't create a need for uniforms, it creates a need for better parenting and better handling of a dress code. Uniforms don't solve anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 It doesn't create a need for uniforms, it creates a need for better parenting and better handling of a dress code. Uniforms don't solve anything. Been there, done that. It's time to try something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 If they did protest, it would be courageous, wouldn't it. You just admitted you're not willing to do it. But you're not going to admit that you don't have courage, so you need another word for it. It's just being "sensible," you say. According to what you're saying, the Germans who didn't stand up against Hitler when they could have were just being sensible. According to you, anyone who takes the easy way out instead of fighting against what is wrong is just being "sensible." Even those who betrayed Christ were just being sensible, right? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth at once for the most cowardly reason of all: to justify and excuse yourself. Do you have even the tiniest clue that you did it? Yes, school uniforms are one step away from the children becoming Nazis. Oh, brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Yes, school uniforms are one step away from the children becoming Nazis.Oh, brother. If the government can order you to do something small, it can also order you to do something big. You can make fun of it all you like, but the people's willingness to let small things happen allows big things to happen. And this isn't happening in isolation. It's very chilling that the school uniforms fad is happening at the same time as the so-called Patriot Act, warrantless spying on Americans, etc. You don't see the connection? Some of us do. What keeps a nation free is the attitude of its people. The very fact that you don't care that the government dictates what color polo shirt your children must wear in school says a lot. You may think it's a small matter, but it's not. It's about the attitude of a compliant people who are willing to be told what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 If the government can order you to do something small, it can also order you to do something big. You can make fun of it all you like, but the people's willingness to let small things happen allows big things to happen. And this isn't happening in isolation. It's very chilling that the school uniforms fad is happening at the same time as the so-called Patriot Act, warrantless spying on Americans, etc. You don't see the connection? Some of us do. What keeps a nation free is the attitude of its people. The very fact that you don't care that the government dictates what color polo shirt your children must wear in school says a lot. You may think it's a small matter, but it's not. It's about the attitude of a compliant people who are willing to be told what to do. Funny you mention this. Last night I saw a black SUV with government plates parked outside your house, there were 4 big guys with dark glasses watching your house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Been there, done that. It's time to try something else. No, they haven't "done that". They've made no real effort to enforce a dress code, that's why it hasn't been working. There are plenty of schools that don't need to mandate uniforms to get the students to dress decently. It's not rocket science. Uniforms are the lazy/cowardly way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest realistic Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 OK try to look at the uniform issue this way: there are approximately 1800 students at KHS. Let's say that 100 of these students EVERYDAY disregard the dress code. Do you know how the discipline office handles that situation? according to the rules, the students are sent home to change if a parent/guardian is unable to bring clothing in to the student. This highlights an issue that some in previous post complain about...education. These 100 students are missing CURRICULUM instruction while they are out being disciplined for not following the dress code. The students have to wait until that parent comes in with the clothes (often times the parents dress similiar to their kids so you can see where they get it from) before they can go back to class. For those students that have to go home, do you think they are running home and running back to school....not a chance. So for those discussing "education" there will be a lot less students down at the discipline office and more of them in the classroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 No, they haven't "done that". They've made no real effort to enforce a dress code, that's why it hasn't been working. There are plenty of schools that don't need to mandate uniforms to get the students to dress decently. It's not rocket science.Uniforms are the lazy/cowardly way out. It can't be enforced because the parents don't care. Uniforms are a very efficient solution to the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 If the government can order you to do something small, it can also order you to do something big. You can make fun of it all you like, but the people's willingness to let small things happen allows big things to happen. And this isn't happening in isolation. It's very chilling that the school uniforms fad is happening at the same time as the so-called Patriot Act, warrantless spying on Americans, etc. You don't see the connection? Some of us do. What keeps a nation free is the attitude of its people. The very fact that you don't care that the government dictates what color polo shirt your children must wear in school says a lot. You may think it's a small matter, but it's not. It's about the attitude of a compliant people who are willing to be told what to do. You really are very silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 It can't be enforced because the parents don't care.Uniforms are a very efficient solution to the problem. They don't solve anything. They're just a smokescreen for the failing education system. There are much bigger fish to fry than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lal Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 They don't solve anything. They're just a smokescreen for the failing education system. There are much bigger fish to fry than this. You are absolutely right. Our school rank drops 35 places, but we are more concerned about students wearing uniforms, and teachers being told that even though they are adults, they don't dress right. We as taxpayers and parents, guardians, and family members, need to attend more meetings and express our concern over our educational system, or should I say lack of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 OK try to look at the uniform issue this way:there are approximately 1800 students at KHS. Let's say that 100 of these students EVERYDAY disregard the dress code. Do you know how the discipline office handles that situation? according to the rules, the students are sent home to change if a parent/guardian is unable to bring clothing in to the student. This highlights an issue that some in previous post complain about...education. These 100 students are missing CURRICULUM instruction while they are out being disciplined for not following the dress code. The students have to wait until that parent comes in with the clothes (often times the parents dress similiar to their kids so you can see where they get it from) before they can go back to class. For those students that have to go home, do you think they are running home and running back to school....not a chance. So for those discussing "education" there will be a lot less students down at the discipline office and more of them in the classroom. Aha! Someone gets it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bern Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 OK try to look at the uniform issue this way:there are approximately 1800 students at KHS. Let's say that 100 of these students EVERYDAY disregard the dress code. Do you know how the discipline office handles that situation? according to the rules, the students are sent home to change if a parent/guardian is unable to bring clothing in to the student. This highlights an issue that some in previous post complain about...education. These 100 students are missing CURRICULUM instruction while they are out being disciplined for not following the dress code. The students have to wait until that parent comes in with the clothes (often times the parents dress similiar to their kids so you can see where they get it from) before they can go back to class. For those students that have to go home, do you think they are running home and running back to school....not a chance. So for those discussing "education" there will be a lot less students down at the discipline office and more of them in the classroom. So what makes you think they'll follow the uniform dress code if they don't follow the current one? If anything it may get worse. Public schools are required to provide education. What are you going to do when some don't wear their uniform? Are you telling me that Kearny has previously deprived their students of their mandated education when they felt their uniform rules were violated? I find that hard to believe. Will they deprive them by sending them home? I hope Kearny has a lot of reserve money to pay for those law suits they will lose. You can punish by giving after school detentions, cutting their activities, but you cannot deprive them of their education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 OK try to look at the uniform issue this way:there are approximately 1800 students at KHS. Let's say that 100 of these students EVERYDAY disregard the dress code. Do you know how the discipline office handles that situation? according to the rules, the students are sent home to change if a parent/guardian is unable to bring clothing in to the student. This highlights an issue that some in previous post complain about...education. These 100 students are missing CURRICULUM instruction while they are out being disciplined for not following the dress code. The students have to wait until that parent comes in with the clothes (often times the parents dress similiar to their kids so you can see where they get it from) before they can go back to class. For those students that have to go home, do you think they are running home and running back to school....not a chance. So for those discussing "education" there will be a lot less students down at the discipline office and more of them in the classroom. How many days in the past five years did 100 students miss class time because of their clothing? What is the total number of students brought into the discipline office in the past five years for violations? If 100 students decide to wear their khaki slacks halfway down their butts, don't you have exactly the same problem? And if 200 of them decide to protest by wearing swastikas on their same-colored polo shirts, just what do you propose to do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bern Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 And if 200 of them decide to protest by wearing swastikas on their same-colored polo shirts, just what do you propose to do about it? A least it won't clash with their brown shirts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mom FOR uniforms Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 No, they haven't "done that". They've made no real effort to enforce a dress code, that's why it hasn't been working. There are plenty of schools that don't need to mandate uniforms to get the students to dress decently. It's not rocket science.Uniforms are the lazy/cowardly way out. Not proper parenting and supervisor is the lazy/cowardly way out, which is what brought us to uniforms. We can go round and round with this topic, but the truth is uniforms are happening...so get used to it. The grammer schools going to uniform is fine now, everyone has adjusted and it really is cheaper. I'm in favor of uniforms for many reasons. But if your TRULY against your child in grammer or high school to be uniformed then don't make them wear it. So what if they get suspended, you can home school them where they can sit home in their pajamas all day...then at 3:00 dress ANYWAY they want while they walk the Avenue. Problem solved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bern Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Not proper parenting and supervisor is the lazy/cowardly way out, which is what brought us to uniforms. We can go round and round with this topic, but the truth is uniforms are happening...so get used to it. The grammer schools going to uniform is fine now, everyone has adjusted and it really is cheaper. I'm in favor of uniforms for many reasons. But if your TRULY against your child in grammer or high school to be uniformed then don't make them wear it. So what if they get suspended, you can home school them where they can sit home in their pajamas all day...then at 3:00 dress ANYWAY they want while they walk the Avenue. Problem solved! Well good for you. You like uniforms, then buy away. Nothing has ever prevented you from buying uniforms for your little darlings. But don't try to enforce your beliefs on others. Try suspending them, depriving them of their state mandated education because they don't wear your local school board mandated uniforms. See what happens if enough get the guts to sue. Then you better hope you have enough money to pay the higher tax rate that will result when the school board starts paying out for law suits and settlements. Among the many components needed to make a uniform policy a success is a clause, known as an opt out, which provides parents with an avenue to remove their children from the policy. The most successful policies in the nation, including the one in Long Beach, California, permit parents to exempt their children from uniforms for any reason. In Long Beach the procedure for obtaining an opt out is simple. Parents seeking an exemption must request, either by mail or in person, an exemption form. They must fill it out and meet with an administrator who will discuss their objections and verify the information contained in their form to prevent fraudulent exemptions ("Guidelines" 4). Loren Siegel, director of public education for the American Civil Liberties union, cautions schools against omitting an opt out provision from uniform policies:For a public school uniform policy to be legal, it has to have an opt out provision. Every child in this country has the right to a public school education, and that right cannot be conditioned upon compliance with a uniform policy. Some parents and children will have religious objections to uniforms. Others won’t want to participate for aesthetic reasons. (1) http://www.gate.net/~rwms/UniformDWilliams.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Boycott uniforms Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 this must be one of the most stupidest thing khs has done! if ppl are complaining about asses hanging out it is still not working. everyday i see this kid with boxers out and open. so obv khs plan blew up in their face. the uniforms are disgusting they arent even designed good its so huge even the smalls r huge. a small should be able to fit a 100lb 5'4 student good enough. but nah its so baggy and the arms make me have bat wings. and all my teachers has talked about the uniforms in class a couple times so that just waste time so its not efficient in paying attention. and u adults that want us to be miserable are so stupid. if u were in our position i guarantee u would hate it. u guys r just old and jealous that u are as popping in fashion like us. and if any on reply back to this saying wats ur fashion sticking out boxers and have skin showing everywhere. umm no b/c its not all the students that dresses up like sluts and slobs. ps: dont think im one of those stupid kids thats think school is mad gay and trying to make a big issue about this. b/c im not im in the top 25 of my class im in most lvl one courses i do a lot for the school but i just want my voice heard- F*** UNIFORMS! alright get rid of them already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 dont think im one of those stupid kids thats think school is mad gay and trying to make a big issue about this. b/c im not im in the top 25 of my class im in most lvl one courses You had to tell me this? At the end of the week when the stock market nearly crashed and several major financial institutions went belly-up? This gives me real confidence in our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *speedy1* Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 this must be one of the most stupidest thing khs has done! if ppl are complaining about asses hanging out it is still not working. everyday i see this kid with boxers out and open. so obv khs plan blew up in their face. the uniforms are disgusting they arent even designed good its so huge even the smalls r huge. a small should be able to fit a 100lb 5'4 student good enough. but nah its so baggy and the arms make me have bat wings. and all my teachers has talked about the uniforms in class a couple times so that just waste time so its not efficient in paying attention. and u adults that want us to be miserable are so stupid. if u were in our position i guarantee u would hate it. u guys r just old and jealous that u are as popping in fashion like us. and if any on reply back to this saying wats ur fashion sticking out boxers and have skin showing everywhere. umm no b/c its not all the students that dresses up like sluts and slobs.ps: dont think im one of those stupid kids thats think school is mad gay and trying to make a big issue about this. b/c im not im in the top 25 of my class im in most lvl one courses i do a lot for the school but i just want my voice heard- F*** UNIFORMS! alright get rid of them already Do You Kiss Your Mother With That Mouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 this must be one of the most stupidest thing khs has done! if ppl are complaining about asses hanging out it is still not working. everyday i see this kid with boxers out and open. so obv khs plan blew up in their face. the uniforms are disgusting they arent even designed good its so huge even the smalls r huge. a small should be able to fit a 100lb 5'4 student good enough. but nah its so baggy and the arms make me have bat wings. and all my teachers has talked about the uniforms in class a couple times so that just waste time so its not efficient in paying attention. and u adults that want us to be miserable are so stupid. if u were in our position i guarantee u would hate it. u guys r just old and jealous that u are as popping in fashion like us. and if any on reply back to this saying wats ur fashion sticking out boxers and have skin showing everywhere. umm no b/c its not all the students that dresses up like sluts and slobs.ps: dont think im one of those stupid kids thats think school is mad gay and trying to make a big issue about this. b/c im not im in the top 25 of my class im in most lvl one courses i do a lot for the school but i just want my voice heard- F*** UNIFORMS! alright get rid of them already Well Bern, there you have it. It's time for the BOE to take some control and like it or not it starts with uniforms. This kid proves it. Case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charlie Brown Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 this must be one of the most stupidest thing khs has done! if ppl are complaining about asses hanging out it is still not working. everyday i see this kid with boxers out and open. so obv khs plan blew up in their face. the uniforms are disgusting they arent even designed good its so huge even the smalls r huge. a small should be able to fit a 100lb 5'4 student good enough. but nah its so baggy and the arms make me have bat wings. and all my teachers has talked about the uniforms in class a couple times so that just waste time so its not efficient in paying attention. and u adults that want us to be miserable are so stupid. if u were in our position i guarantee u would hate it. u guys r just old and jealous that u are as popping in fashion like us. and if any on reply back to this saying wats ur fashion sticking out boxers and have skin showing everywhere. umm no b/c its not all the students that dresses up like sluts and slobs.ps: dont think im one of those stupid kids thats think school is mad gay and trying to make a big issue about this. b/c im not im in the top 25 of my class im in most lvl one courses i do a lot for the school but i just want my voice heard- F*** UNIFORMS! alright get rid of them already You, my friend, are ranked in the top 25 of your class??...good grief! KHS is worse off than I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Well Bern, there you have it. It's time for the BOE to take some control and like it or not it starts with uniforms.This kid proves it. Case closed. Now there's some logical thinking for you. The kid got one. This gets two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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