Guest Patriot Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 A Fox poll was conducted Sat. on the campus of Ohio St. A group of 20 seniors, male and female, white, black and Latino, were asked to name an accomplishment of Barack Obama. Not one (1) student was able to identify any accomplishments. One student said "well, he's black and he's a senator" , which drew a few laughs. This will be the first time in American history that a presidential candidate's resume will be blank, except for "he's black and he's a senator". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 A Fox poll was conducted Sat. on the campus of Ohio St. A group of 20 seniors, male and female, white, black and Latino, were asked to name an accomplishment of Barack Obama. Not one (1) student was able to identify any accomplishments. One student said "well, he's black and he's a senator" , which drew a few laughs. This will be the first time in American history that a presidential candidate's resume will be blank, except for "he's black and he's a senator". Problem 1: FOX Poll Problem 2: Only polled 20 people Problem 3: You're and idiot Problem 4: Obama will still be light years ahead of GW as president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Problem 4: Obama will still be light years ahead of GW as president. Well, being black and a senator how could he not be? Was "Guest" one of the twenty in the original poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kearny Republican Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Problem 1: FOX PollProblem 2: Only polled 20 people Problem 3: You're and idiot Problem 4: Obama will still be light years ahead of GW as president. Answer 1: FOX / #1 rated cable news Answer 2: 20 college seniors can't come up with one accomplishment pretty much rules out accomplishments. Answer 3: A 5th grader would know "and" should be "an". I think you're the idiot. Answer 4: We'll never know, McCain will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twizzler Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 We know the Republicans will come up with any argument they can to defeat Sen. Obama. Fact is, he has a good record in the Senate, has been very active on lesislation whether college students know it or not, and has his colleagues' respect. It is also a fact that he has inspired the nation in a way no one else has done in a very long time. That is why the Republicans are so afraid of him and are desperate to say anything to take him down. After seven disastrous years under the worst president in our history, Americans are looking to the future. They know from their history books that the best presidents are not the ones with great legislative achievements before taking office. Our best presidents inspired the nation and knew how to lead it. If Obama continues to make that case, he is going to be our next president, and he will be an excellent and exciting choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2smart4u Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 We know the Republicans will come up with any argument they can to defeat Sen. Obama. Fact is, he has a good record in the Senate, has been very active on legislation whether college students know it or not, and has his colleagues' respect.It is also a fact that he has inspired the nation in a way no one else has done in a very long time. That is why the Republicans are so afraid of him and are desperate to say anything to take him down. After seven disastrous years under the worst president in our history, Americans are looking to the future. They know from their history books that the best presidents are not the ones with great legislative achievements before taking office. Our best presidents inspired the nation and knew how to lead it. If Obama continues to make that case, he is going to be our next president, and he will be an excellent and exciting choice. "good record in the Senate" ??? He voted 144 times "present" instead of yes or no ( how's that for decisiveness). A panel at Ohio State was unable to name one accomplishment of Barack Obama. He is an empty suit, he plagiarizes Churchill, JFK and MLK, has a wife that hates America and has no experience in anything. Great choice, Twizzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Answer 1: FOX / #1 rated cable news Answer 2: 20 college seniors can't come up with one accomplishment pretty much rules out accomplishments. Answer 3: A 5th grader would know "and" should be "an". I think you're the idiot. Answer 4: We'll never know, McCain will win. Answer 1: # 1 rated stated ONLY by FOX news who are constantly having to be corrected about many topics by the likes of MSNBC and CNN Answer 2: No, it proves absolutely nothing. Answer 3: It was a typo. Relax. Answer 4: I wouldn't hold my breath A far as Obama, blame GW. His horrific adminstration has finally moved the American poeple to the point of action. No more political royaly of the Bushes or Clintons. You don't like Obama? You only have yoursleves to blame or is that Clinton's fault too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Obama's the Man Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 He voted against going into Iraq stating that we should be concentrating on Afghanistan when it was not a popular statement to make. Hillary and McCann on the other hand voted to support the war in Iraq. That my friend is a huge accomplishment: He thought for himself and lead instead of followed when it mattered the most. If others had done the same we would not be in the mess we are today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Truth Squad Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 "good record in the Senate" ??? He voted 144 times "present" instead of yes or no ( how's that for decisiveness). A panel at Ohio State was unable to name one accomplishment of Barack Obama. He is an empty suit, he plagiarizes Churchill, JFK and MLK, has a wife that hates America and has no experience in anything. Great choice, Twizzy. The Senate doesn't cast 144 important votes in three years. How many important votes did he miss, and on how many of those, if any, would his voting yes or no have changed the outcome? Obama's opponents are desperate to stop him. It's going to take more than two-bit talking points this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Truth Squad Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 He voted against going into Iraq stating that we should be concentrating on Afghanistan when it was not a popular statement to make. Hillary and McCann on the other hand voted to support the war in Iraq. That my friend is a huge accomplishment: He thought for himself and lead instead of followed when it mattered the most. If others had done the same we would not be in the mess we are today. That is dead on the money right. Obama did three things with his position on the Iraq war. 1. He demonstrated tremendous integrity and courage, meaning: 2. We can trust him under pressure. 3. He demonstrated better judgment on the key foreign policy issue of these past few years than his opponents. That alone qualifies him over any of them to be president. Add to that the fact that he is brilliant (president of the Harvard Law Review) and a natural leader, and this choice is obvious. If it wasn't, his detractors wouldn't be so desperate to take him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 "good record in the Senate" ??? He voted 144 times "present" instead of yes or no ( how's that for decisiveness). Do you even know what voting "present" means? Go ahead, define what it means for me, if you can. A panel at Ohio State was unable to name one accomplishment of Barack Obama. The list of Obama's legislative accomplishments is too substantive to post. During the first 8 (eight) years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 (eight hundred twenty) bills. He introduced 233 (two hundred thirty-three) regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. His *first year* in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 (one hundred fifty-two) bills and co-sponsored another 427 (four hundred twenty-seven). These included: 1. **The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, 2. **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, 3. **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act - passed the Senate, 4. **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, 5. **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill - in committee, 6. and many more. In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 (eight hundred ninety) bills and co-sponsored another 1096 (one thousand ninety-six). Go ahead, reply with a one-liner so you can prove once again how ignorant you are. You're only helping personify exactly what's wrong with people like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Answer 1: FOX / #1 rated cable news Answer 2: 20 college seniors can't come up with one accomplishment pretty much rules out accomplishments. Answer 3: A 5th grader would know "and" should be "an". I think you're the idiot. Answer 4: We'll never know, McCain will win. Don't be a grammar Nazi when your grammar is failing. Never, ever start a sentence with a number written in numerals. I think you're not only an idiot, but a hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 He voted against going into Iraq stating that we should be concentrating on Afghanistan when it was not a popular statement to make. Obama wasn't in the U.S. Senate until 2004. If he voted against the Iraq AUMF while an Illinois state senator then he's an imbecile. Hillary and McCann on the other hand voted to support the war in Iraq. That my friend is a huge accomplishment: He thought for himself and lead instead of followed when it mattered the most. If others had done the same we would not be in the mess we are today. From the look of it, you're a good example of the type of brainless support Obama receives. I hope you've got a better reason for supporting him than you just gave. Perhaps you're in favor of his reluctance to fund the war effort in Iraq? Something like that? http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Obama+Iraq+...ent+Myth?t=anon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Studies and Observations Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 He voted against going into Iraq stating that we should be concentrating on Afghanistan when it was not a popular statement to make. Hillary and McCann on the other hand voted to support the war in Iraq. That my friend is a huge accomplishment: He thought for himself and lead instead of followed when it mattered the most. If others had done the same we would not be in the mess we are today. How exactly did he do this when he wasnt in the Senate until 2005???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Do you even know what voting "present" means? Go ahead, define what it means for me, if you can.The list of Obama's legislative accomplishments is too substantive to post. During the first 8 (eight) years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 (eight hundred twenty) bills. He introduced 233 (two hundred thirty-three) regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. His *first year* in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 (one hundred fifty-two) bills and co-sponsored another 427 (four hundred twenty-seven). These included: 1. **The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, 2. **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, 3. **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act - passed the Senate, 4. **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, 5. **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill - in committee, 6. and many more. In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 (eight hundred ninety) bills and co-sponsored another 1096 (one thousand ninety-six). Go ahead, reply with a one-liner so you can prove once again how ignorant you are. You're only helping personify exactly what's wrong with people like you. I've heard it charged that Obama doesn't have a bill with his name on it. That's false, but on the other hand lists like that above are completely misleading. Obama's best bill (the one co-sponsored with Coburn) is minor legislation. Writing bills is not ordinarily considered an "accomplishment" in the Senate. An accomplishment is getting your name on significant legislation. It's accurate to portray Obama's Senate record as vanishingly thin in terms of accomplishment. If you pad out resumes by adding every bill that people authored then almost everyone in Congress can look like a superstar. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/77368/?comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 How exactly did he do this when he wasnt in the Senate until 2005???? He was in the state legislature, but what the poster obviously meant is that Obama was against the Iraq invasion from the beginning, while Clinton and McCain weren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 That is dead on the money right. Obama did three things with his position on the Iraq war.1. He demonstrated tremendous integrity and courage, meaning: 2. We can trust him under pressure. 3. He demonstrated better judgment on the key foreign policy issue of these past few years than his opponents. That alone qualifies him over any of them to be president. Add to that the fact that he is brilliant (president of the Harvard Law Review) and a natural leader, and this choice is obvious. If it wasn't, his detractors wouldn't be so desperate to take him down. It takes a great deal of integrity to go against the U.S. Senate while you're in the Illinois state senate, does it? It's a good thing the Truth Fairy is here to help support the incorrect notion that Barack Obama's U.S. Senate career goes back prior to his initial election to the U.S. Senate. I wonder if the Illinois legislature receives the same intelligence briefings that Congress gets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2smart4u Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 How exactly did he do this when he wasnt in the Senate until 2005???? With Kool-Aid anythings possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 It takes a great deal of integrity to go against the U.S. Senate while you're in the Illinois state senate, does it?quote] Yes it does, not least because he was thinking about running for higher office and had to know this position would be unpopular. It's all the more courageous because he didn't have to take a position at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 He was in the state legislature, but what the poster obviously meant is that Obama was against the Iraq invasion from the beginning, while Clinton and McCain weren't. It isn't that obvious what he meant, for if Obama was in the state legislature there's not much to be made of thinking for himself and leading on the issue. Exactly where is he supposed to lead on the issue from the Illinois legislature? Most likely this Obama supporter simply didn't know any better. Unless he was actually a Karl Rove plant intended to make Obama supporters look like idiots, of course. You Obama supporters who didn't fall for any of it can give yourselves a pat on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 It isn't that obvious what he meant, for if Obama was in the state legislature there's not much to be made of thinking for himself and leading on the issue. Exactly where is he supposed to lead on the issue from the Illinois legislature? Considering how many people were duped into this stupid 'war', even if he was some random guy who we knew was against the war from the beginning, that adds credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I've heard it charged that Obama doesn't have a bill with his name on it. That's false, but on the other hand lists like that above are completely misleading. Obama's best bill (the one co-sponsored with Coburn) is minor legislation. Being able to see how our government is spending our money is minor to you? That says a lot, it really does. Writing bills is not ordinarily considered an "accomplishment" in the Senate. An accomplishment is getting your name on significant legislation. The Lugar/Coburn-Obama bills are both quite significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 It takes a great deal of integrity to go against the U.S. Senate while you're in the Illinois state senate, does it? Yes it does, not least because he was thinking about running for higher office and had to know this position would be unpopular. It's all the more courageous because he didn't have to take a position at all. When Barack Obama was a state legislator running for the U.S. Senate in Illinois in 2003 opposition to the war in Iraq was extremely popular in African American communities and among the progressive voters he needed in order to win. Brother Obama was on the case, doing what he had to do to sew up that vote early, showing up at local antiwar meetings and rallies, and making speeches like the one opposing "a dumb war" which is now trotted out as evidence of his fervent and prescient antiwar stand. Bush invaded Iraq in March 2003, and by late May declared "mission accomplished" and victory in "the battle of Iraq" from the deck of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln. With the president riding high in national polls, this reporter checked Obama's campaign web site and noted that all the evidence of and references to candidate Obama's prior opposition to the invasion of Iraq had been deleted. The visionary Barack Obama appeared to be leaning rightward with the prevailing wind, distancing himself from his prior opposition to the war. http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php...69&Itemid=1 ... now I just need to attach that mp3 of Teddy Kennedy singing in Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Being able to see how our government is spending our money is minor to you? That says a lot, it really does. The bill doesn't accomplish very much in terms of transparency. Plus Obama kept his earmarks secret even while sponsoring the legislation. It's relatively minor legislation on an important issue (but thanks a ton for the baseless smear attempt!). I seem to remember writing something about how it was Obama's best bill. The Lugar/Coburn-Obama bills are both quite significant. You're fooling yourself. Understandable, since the Democratic eggs seem to be going in Obama's basket. It's not like you can really afford to be wrong in supporting him, is it? Seventy five million is chump change in Congress, and the description of the bill hardly makes it appear truly significant. It's "significant" like running out a ground ball even though you get thrown out at first base anyway. http://www.globalsolutions.org/in_the_belt..._secure_weapons Just to put the $75 million in perspective: "Obama's earmarks add up to more than $300 million." http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/...-reveals-h.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHS81 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 A Fox poll was conducted Sat. on the campus of Ohio St. A group of 20 seniors, male and female, white, black and Latino, were asked to name an accomplishment of Barack Obama. Not one (1) student was able to identify any accomplishments. One student said "well, he's black and he's a senator" , which drew a few laughs. This will be the first time in American history that a presidential candidate's resume will be blank, except for "he's black and he's a senator". Is this the same Obama Who has never once visited out troops in Iraq or Afghanistan?. Is this the same Obama who refuses to place his hand over his heart during the singing of our national anthem. Is this the same Obama who has stated that he voted against the Iraq war even though the war started in 2003 and he did'nt become a senator until 2005.Is this the same Obama who has voted against a flag desicretion law. I know this Obama has missed 40.6% of congressional votes since 2005, I know this Obama wants to increase the H-1B and H-2B visas. I know this Obama is nothing more than a black John Kerry, I voted for it before I voted against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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