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Sorry Doc. I agree with you most of the time but the poster you replied to didnt make "silly" statements. They are pretty true. I doubt he was bashing anybody by saying they mean well, but i have also seen them "operate" at fires. They dont get used until the fire is out and they fire they had last year the HFD were the ones to put the fire out. They are a good bunch of men and women looking to help(except for McCormick who only joined to try to further stick it to the HFD) but the fact of the matter is they dont see alot of fires and when they do get called they kind of just watch.
When a FD responds mutual aid to another town they can only do as much as that town asks them.
Often times when ENFD responds to Harrison or Kearny Fire they will often be assigned to be the "FAST" or "RIT" at first. Even if it's late in the incident. Often these guys look like they are doing nothing. It's a good thing when they do nothing also as that means no one is trapped inside. What is a FAST?
The fire they had last year they put out. Harrison was quick to the scene and connected the hydrant and put up ladders. (A crucial part of the operation) East Newark had a hose line already operating in the building when Harrison arrived.
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If it's true, Kearny hired another nopotism fireman when every other union like the cops and the teachers had to make concessions to keep their jobs. Yet they claim each group is, " We." That is pure corruption in my opinion. Another do no nothing leaky bag of crap on the payroll. Disgracefull. Why would the town of no work need another fireman. It's just white mans welfare anyway you look at it. I would be a fireman just for fun but the boredom would kill me. Sleep, eat, crap, watch TV, read a magazine, fool around on a laptop, sleep some more, you get it. Where's the benefit to the town in the return of these many million$ of dollars? There is NONE. A complete town merger of Harrison and Kearny is the only answer to prevent Harrsion from folding. Then there will be guaranteed lay offs because the sold out 17 are not going to work along side a $110,000.00 a year Harrison guy who doesn't even have to get drug tested among other things. Senioriy from Harrison will rule the roost. The Kearny Chief having to step down to Deputy Chief as well as every other rank to make way for the conrtactually paid well above six figure Captains from Harrison. Kearny will have have mass demotions to make way from who's really gonna be in charge. Same with the Police. Right brother?
Kearny would have the upper hand in any merge. As they are not the ones that need it. It would be on their terms. That I'm pretty sure of.
Like you said it would save Harrison from folding. I still believe Harrison has the ability to save themselves and keep a fully paid fire department and not layoff PD/FD. Just they are unwilling to approach the issue. Who's at fault? Not sure, but the tax payers deserve those services.
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Looks like your another sucker from Kearny! The fact remains Kearny Police have these devices depicked on these web sites attached to their building and no other Police Department in the State does.
What are you talking about? Maybe you left out a few words? Not really sure. What devices dipcked on websited attached to their buildings? Devices on websites that are attached to buildings? Seriously? What does that even mean?
You still need help!!
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Here is a link to a story on WWII veteran from Kearny.
Please feel free to post links to other stories that pay tribute to our veterans.
KOTW
He was assigned to St. Stephen's Church in Kearny. (That portion of Washington Ave by St. Stephen's was renamed in honor of him)
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Million$ to pay out of towners and not a dang bit of work in sight. Must S**K if you are a resident of Hudson County and nothing but money taken out of your check. People getting burned and a 20 min. response time for fires one block away. USELESS, LOW QUALITY EMPLOYEES.
Are you serious? a 20 min response time? I would put any dollar amount that Hudson County FD's combined have the quickest response time vs any other county in the state. Kearny and Harrison both have very good response times. Now maybe you bring up a point about out of towners. People should at least have to live in a certain "bubble" maybe like 15-20 miles of their town to be an emergency worker in my opinion. But you are talking about state laws that allow it. So thats what should be challenged.
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In my opinion, in a few months the State of NJ will be forced to merge all residents, homes, and departments to another town and make it one unit with the other municipality, probably Kearny. Kearny and Harrison will just become Kearny. There will be massive layoffs and bare bones services and gonvernment until this stabilizes but it's going to be the only way. The HFD, Harrison Mayor and Council will be gone as well as many overlapping services because the town that essentially "buys" the other will take over. The cops should stay the same, but no extras. Start making plans accordingly.
If that were to happen in a few months the plans would have already been laid my friend. That is not an overnight thing. Try again.
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I have to say the HFD did a fantatic job in the last 3 times I needed them due to an emergency.And my husband had a heart attach over the weekend and they were quick and very concerned and did a great job.Both times were emergency's and its very scarry.Please do not get rid of the EMT's.
Great to hear. You said like I've been saying time and time again. Harrison FD should continue to run the EMS. They do a great job with it. They help bring in some money to support the FD budget as well. Keep this service in the hands of the HFD!
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I suggest you try to google that again! It was on the Kearny on the web site and I just found out that this is not your Town web site but this statement was on this web site November 6 2009. The only one who needs mental health aid is your Towns Mayor paying all that money to people who are under worked and over paid
I guess you didn't realize that was a poll done by this site to vote for the best local PD. It was between Harrison, Kearny, East Newark and North Arlington. Kearny was voted the best out of the 4.
You still need some help. Call EMS tell them you are an EDP.
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Firemen in Harrison, Kearny, Hoboken, Jersey City, and Bayonne; get rid of all of these useless pieces of crap and save all our cities from financial ruin. I was in a fully involved house fire just a few years ago, in the middle of the building, spent a good amount of time in the burn unit getting grafts and wearing the JOBES pants and upper body wraps, and it wasn't that bad to be honest compared to other things in life. I was telling the two fire/medics in the back of the ambulance," Are you alright? Are you gonna faint? At least cover the damn burns if you can't look them. What a bunch of bitches!
If you could see how much more scared they were than I was you would laugh. It hurt like hell, but I took it like a trooper. If thats what the doctors and nurses said was "bad" and I didn't have 100 lbs. of gear protecting of fire retardent gear and masks like the firemen wear to prevent those burns what is so dangerous? I got out the person I needed to by myself because the firemen took forever and I had to go in or my buddy would have been dead. We got no awards, recognition, or even an honorable mention for for doing much more than any FD member every did and we just moved on after a few days in the burn unit, changed bandages and Silverdine (I think thats what it was called)?
No heroes ceremony for us or even a you guys did a good a good job by any fireman, only the public, who clapped and yelled like heck for us and the firemen were actually pissed because initially they thought they were getting applause but they were for us. They were so damn angry THEY weren't the heroes, WE WERE. Even the medics in the the ambulance were pissed-off. It was like some sort of joke. One said," Good thing we were there, huh! I was like" What?" The people at that scene saw the real heroes in action and got the thrill of their life. The Engines didn't even round the corner until the ambulance was already on its way. Guess the sandman wouldn't allow their eyes to open. I still have some wicked scars to prove it but am back to 100% ON MY OWN.
I hope this story isn't true. If it is. It's very sad and I'm sorry for what happened to you.
On the other hand one thing leads me to believe that isn't not true. One thing and one thing only. You mentioned you got skin grafts, wearing jobes pants and upper body wraps then mentioned how it wasn't that bad. You go on to talk about how you "moved on after a few days in the burn unit". Well if you were actually burned as badly as you say you were and the description would fit with skin grafts and such. You would be in the burn unit for a lot more then a "few days" in fact you have to even return numerous times after your initial treatment period.
If that story is true then God bless you!
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Doc13mets, in my opinion you are showing your one sided view of things again to the public. The Police are in the same financial trouble over in Harrison yet you nly talk of the Harrison Fire Department having some serious troubles over there. You go on and give accoldes and praise to everything the fire dept. does along with things they have never done (just war stories) but don't say oe word about the Harrison Police Department and how ell it is run. The HPD keeps crime in check in impossible odds day after day because of the manpower sortage but you didn't recognize the one bit for their tenacity. Now you know how I figured out you are retired Fireman scanner junkie wishing he could have done more with his life.
Furthermore this topic is about "Fires" and the KFD and HFD was mentioned. That's probably why I didn't mention the HPD at all.
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Doc13mets, in my opinion you are showing your one sided view of things again to the public. The Police are in the same financial trouble over in Harrison yet you nly talk of the Harrison Fire Department having some serious troubles over there. You go on and give accoldes and praise to everything the fire dept. does along with things they have never done (just war stories) but don't say oe word about the Harrison Police Department and how ell it is run. The HPD keeps crime in check in impossible odds day after day because of the manpower sortage but you didn't recognize the one bit for their tenacity. Now you know how I figured out you are retired Fireman scanner junkie wishing he could have done more with his life.
I agree with you on a few things. Yes the Harrison Police do a fantastic job with the little man power they have already!! I posted in the Harrison section about how they should not be reduced one bit! Unfortunately (or fortunately for some people that seem to "hate" me for whatever reason) I can't go into great detail about the HPD because I do not know as much about them. What I do know is Harrison needs more police protection in this day and age and they are doing one hell of a job with the reduced manpower they already have. The Town of Harrison can't afford to reduce any public safety (Police and Fire) at this time.
I fully support the HPD, anyone who puts their life on the line everyday in protection of others gets my praise.
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They mean well but the ENFD isnt a fine "Team". They really dont do anything at fires but clean up when they get called out of town. And the 1 fire every decade they have in town Harrison has to put it out for them. You people dont have a clue.
Your still living in the past. Making statements such as these are childish. Especially how untrue this is.
You wanna know what a fine "Team" is? Well its when our local fire departments all work together to get the job done and not let silly statements like the poster above made get in the way. Now thats a Fine TEAM!
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We do not need a full time fire Dept, They do not go out that often as it is.....We need to go to volunteer Fire Dept, east Newark has it and they are a fine Team, These Firemen in Harrison are over Paid to lay around and do nothing....We need Our Police Dept.....No laying off Police and Put More on, this could be done by going with a Volunteer Fire Dept....But McD**ba** is too stupid to figure that out.......Bunch of Jackass running this Town...and crooks as well...anyone who wants to pickit the Town hall to save Our Police dept post on here ....Save Our Police Dept, Harrison is not as safe as You think it is.....
What works in one town doesn't always work in every other town. Establishing a volunteer FD isn't as easy as you think it is.
It is very important for long term safty that harrison be protected by paid firefighters with quick response times. The residences are just way to close together.
The police department should not be cut either. Neither department should be. HFD should also keep the EMS service they offer. Switching to an outside private company will only cost the tax payers more money.
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I was unaware of any such claim or Award..so I took "Guest" (Gee another with no name..go figure) up on his challenge and googled EXACTLY what he/she posted..and came up with exactly NOTHING. Also, Feb 12 2011 was a Saturday, The Observer goes out on Monday nights, so that week's Issue would have been Feb 15th. So far you're batting pretty much Zero there Sport. I concur with my Colleague that you Sir or Ma'am, should seek medical help, as soon as possible. I Believe that the Family Services Bureau, located on Kearny Ave across from Town Hall has Psych Services available.
I did the same. Came up empty. Tried it a bunch of different ways also. I second that motion on this person needing some medical help.
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We do not need a full time fire Dept, They do not go out that often as it is.....We need to go to volunteer Fire Dept, east Newark has it and they are a fine Team, These Firemen in Harrison are over Paid to lay around and do nothing....We need Our Police Dept.....No laying off Police and Put More on, this could be done by going with a Volunteer Fire Dept....But McD**ba** is too stupid to figure that out.......Bunch of Jackass running this Town...and crooks as well...anyone who wants to pickit the Town hall to save Our Police dept post on here ....Save Our Police Dept, Harrison is not as safe as You think it is.....
You are right about one thing. Harrison can not afford to lay off Police Officers. But you are wrong about another. Harrison would not be better off with a volunteer department. What works in East Newark does not mean it would work in Harrison. Harrison FD is a lot buisier then you think. The residents aren't better off with a volunteer fd. Far from it.
Man power should remain around 40 odd guys in Harrison. They should have 8 guys on at least per shift. reduction down to 24 firefighters is outright scary.
Harrison Tax payers wake up your fire insurance will sky rocket! Sure maybe the two sides need to get together and figure out how to make some savings but it can't start with lowering manpower to 24 firefighters. That is insanity!
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How many fires was that the HFD/KFD "put down" again in 2011? I must have missed the number in your post. I think it was one or two unoccupied crack houses Millions of dollars of the residents hard earned cash was well worth it. A million dollars per little fire each, and are the KFD members going to support their jobless Harrison confederates starting in about a month? I doubt one dime will make it to Harrison. MEFIRST baby, you know it, you show it, MEEEFIRST!!
First off it doesn't matter how many fires they have put out to date. We are paying them to be there when we need them most. First off you souldn't group KFD and HFD in the same boat. HFD is going through some really really tough times, the likes none have seen and they need some serious help over there. No one seems to be willing to work out solutions to the problem.
Kearny on the other hand is still in good shape. Sure they had to make some adjustments after the last layoff threat. But they worked through it and still have a safe amount of manpower on each day. KFD doesn't just goto Fire, the do lost of other important things like Extracations at MVA's, they take care of dangerous conditions (from dangerous falling tree limbs to siding falling off building onto walk ways) to make sure people don't get hurt.
I've said from day one as a taxypayer I'm very happy to have a paid fire department protecting my home, you should to.
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As I had stated in an earlier opinion, and again in this opinion (I knew I was right), the main equiptment used for a paid Harrison Firefighting Department is indeed for sale for the right price to the highest bidder. Engines are at the top of the list. Seek answers from those in charge and you will find the truth unless they lie to your face. Your fearless leader has already offered to abandon ship for a more lofty offering and has tilted his forward as in yes, yes. It's almost new equiptment so it should fetch a fair price. If there is no one left to use the machinery why would the town keep it? They also need the money now, like yesterday if you get my message. Offers are also being accepted for a private EMS/ ambulance company to service the Town of Harrison and will take over the duties as soon as possible as the money is secured from the sale of th Fire Apparatus. You can doubt me all you want and deny it's happening, but you will surely see my information is right on the money. This probably won't be printed along with several other articles due to controversy and to avoid parnoia, I accept that, but the information is solid from the top down. I personally am thrilled to hear the news from a phone call I received moments ago, so apparently the dominoes are all going down instead of just a few.
Happy trails to the gutless and good luck in finding a new job. The 125K vacation is over, for sure, and the end of the pensions and medical benefits are waving goodbye also. Now Oe last time invite everyone over for lobster tails and steaks. You were told.
First off the two engines that they will sell were mid 90's... I think 96's... That’s not new in the fire service by any means. The Ladder is from the late 80's and they have one relatively new engine which they should keep.
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Lets review. I have always the stand that there should be many more Police Officers on the streets of Harrison. When further cuts are made, the criminal element will surely move into those ares. I have also said that Harrison can be serviced just as well with a volunteer Fire Department.
There would be no difference i service with the sddition of a volunteer ambulance system. That has always been my drastic cost savings measure. OK.
VOLUNTEER AMBULANCE!!!! are you crazy!!! Trust me I listen to a lot of the southern Bergen county/west Essex county towns that use a volunteer ambulance doesn't work to well. Tone goes out for a person with chest pains... 2 minutes later another tone goes out... "Need additional manpower"... 2 minutes later... "We need a driver to respond"... hopefully 2 minutes later they are out the door...
North Arlington has paid EMS during most hours, hell they may be paid on site 24/7 by now... Kearny ambulance couldn't get enough volunteers that’s why they are paid now...
You have to be nuts, a paid ambulance that’s the last thing I would want to see anywhere...
If you are going to have a paid ambulance you better darn well have a paid FD that respond as first responders so they could hook you up to that AED and save your darn life.
The remaining HFD guys after the next round of retirements need to realize that the town needs to do something to help protect them, imagine pulling up to a working fire with 6 firefighters and no BC!!!
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Who is this person who is happy when someone loses their job. He must have had a miserable childhood. I think it's the same person who was writing demeaning letters to supervisors a few years ago. I think he is a disgruntled Patrolman.
The HPD should not have any layoffs or demotions. They are now working shorthanded. With the addition of more housing and the Red Bull Stadium, more officers are needed not less. Having said that, I believe that if you have over 25 years on the job you should retire. Raises are going to be less then 2% and you will begin paying up to 30% of your health benefits. Do the math and get out while you can.
The merging of the HPD and ENPD should be done as soon as possible. The HFD and the ENFD should also merge.
I agree the HPD should not have any layoffs or demotions if anything they should be figuring out how to hire!! Public Safety is the most important service any municipality offers and should not be shorted in anyway.
Unfortunately I can't see ENPD and HPD merging. Explain how East Newark would give up it's 2 per shift in a 1/10th of a square mile town to merge with Harrison to probably pay more and get less protection.
Harrison residents that live on streets that have East Newark residents are probably thrilled because at least they have a ENPD driving down there block regularly. This is no knock to the HPD they are doing the best they can with what they have. Time for a few give backs boys. Look what ENPD are making and what you're making. Not saying you don't deserve it just saying times are tough for everyone and we all need to make sacrifices.
As for a merge of ENFD and HFD I can't see a merge happening. Why would East Newark do that. They pay peanuts for their FD and they have a good amount of manpower. HFD is being reduced to nothing which is a crying shame. I hear they are also going to a private ambulance service? Is this true? That’s terrible because it was a good revenue generator for the HFD. There has to be a way to keep this service and not take a huge hit on the budget.
It costs Harrison something like about 1.5 million a year to staff 1 ladder (or 1 engine) on a 24 hour basis. McDonough time to pick up the phone call up Mayor Smith offer him a substantial amount of money to provide some automatic aid. Offer 500K a year for 1 Ladder (or 1 Engine, whatever the fire minds figure out is best) to respond to all of Harrisons calls. With that money Harrison saves and receives no less protection, East Newark can hire 2 guys M-F during business hours to man it, increase their fire budget to offer more services and East Newark would still save some money. HFD could then also keep their ambulances. They would have to shut down Cleveland Ave but I think we all know that’s coming. Wouldn't be much of an issue anyway with an Engine coming from 7th street and a Ladder from Sherman Ave. (Or vice versa) I know there will be union issues but it doesn’t seem like Harrison FMBA is willing to give anything back to protect all these jobs.
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I was digging into NJ.COM a bit today and came across an article, with a graph, that stated that a firefighter in Harrison, NJ makes an average salary of 21% higher than any other place in the State of NJ. Why would that be? It also has way at the bottom of the number of fires one of the least in NJ. Anyone know why that would be such a huge discrepency?
Please share the link. Many other people would probably want to read it.
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You all keep shhoting your big mouths off about the lay off but I don't see it happening! Is is all just gossip as everything else you say or when is this going to happen?
Two more guys retired in the beginning of May. I hear more are retiring come June and then some more come July.
I never once said anyone would get laid off. I've actually multiple times said that they aren't layoffs that they are reducing through attrition. Guys are retiring and they are not hiring anyone to replace them. That is a reduction in staff, it's already started.
I've never said anything on this board that hasn't come true. Sometimes I share my opinion on matters and give thoughts on what I might do. But that’s not gossip. Go back, tell me where I stated something was going to happen and it didn't happen.
The fire department will still be here come next year. Just not like it was last year or even right now for that matter. Staffing needs to be at the very least 1 engine, 1 ladder and 1 EMS (with a second EMS and taking the ladder out of service). HFD has called mutual aid many times the past few months when they had a second EMS ambulance sitting in HQ but didn't have the manpower to send it out. That’s what needs to be corrected.
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Harrison should terminate the jobs of the what I hear 22 Fireman as soon an possible to avoid any more wasting of money to the town. I also heard that the Fireman that are getting terminated, not layed-off, are trying to get paid for all of their unused vacation and sick time before getting the axe. If that's true, then two additional Fireman should be terminated to cover these costs. I looked into finding out if any cities or towns are looking to hire any experienced fire men to start out in an entry level capacity and found no luck at all. They may have to look down south or the midwest where they can find a paid fire department that will start them out at like $35,000.00/year. Most will probably have to work menial jobs like bagging groceries or pumping gas until they find something better. No unemployment can be collected since they were not paying into the system. I wish them luck in their new beginnings and hope they can sell their NJ houses for a decent sum.
HFD have a number of guys that can retire. No one will get terminated. They will retire which allows them to recieve all unused vacation and sick time. And it's not like they are "trying" to do this. It's just a rule.
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The Mayor is lost on the Police these people are illegally using the civil defense announcement network through out the Town to scream evil things at night like last night from 12 midnight to about 4. tHATS A FELONY. iTS JUST LIKE THE WEATHER STATION ITS NOT A WEATHER STATION ITS A TORTURE CHAMBER gOOGLE nsa AND PSYCOLOGICAL WARFARE
Really KOTW for all the other stuff you don't allow to post you allow this? You don't think this guy is certifiable? What the heck is this guy even talking about? lol wow just wow (wow's at this guy not KOTW)
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A volunteer department could not "easily" handle Kearny, E. Newark and Harrison. You are nuts!! You do realize you would need about 275-300 volunteers to handle that right?