USA's embarrassment

[Guest A Proud American]

You made the statement that the President was violating the Constitution among other things. All I'm asking is that you explain how. It should be simple since you're the one making the accusation.

[Guest Guest]

APA, you're asking for facts and reason. For idiots on what used to be called the far-right lunatic fringe, those things don't matter. Their whole world is just a little story they throw together - or others throw together for them - so they can rock themselves to sleep at night. Tell them the story they want to hear, they'll do anything you like. That is why they are so easily manipulated.

President Obama is black, and a Democrat. Cue the scary music.

[Guest 2smart4u]

You made the statement that the President was violating the Constitution among other things. All I'm asking is that you explain how. It should be simple since you're the one making the accusation.

All right dummy, I'll give you one example. zerO has made many illegal changes to the ACA without congress. A law cannot legally be changed once enacted without the consent of congress. But then, you won't learn that on MSNBC.

[Guest Guest]

All right dummy, I'll give you one example. zerO has made many illegal changes to the ACA without congress. A law cannot legally be changed once enacted without the consent of congress. But then, you won't learn that on MSNBC.

You see, that's how utterly stupid you are. You didn't give an example. You stated a conclusion. To give an example, you would have to specify one of these changes you claim is illegal, then analyze it considering specific constitutional provisions and the case law from the Supreme Court and other federal courts. But since they didn't tell you that on Fox, you didn't know.

I didn't hear about that on Fox, MSNBC or any of the other commercial networks. I know how to think. It's something I work on. You might hear about legal analysis on PBS or NPR but I don't get most of my information from radio or TV in the first place.

Mainly I've heard about delays in implementing the law. I haven't done legal research on the point but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this falls within the executive power in carrying out the law. That rationale can easily be criticized but that does not mean that the rule is wrong. Courts are charged with the responsibility of making clear rules of out laws, and a Constitution, which do not in themselves draw clear lines. So the courts look to factors like legislative intent, and effectuating the intended purposes of the laws.

So if you can think of an example of an unconstitutional change in the ACA by President Obama, you could post it, then we could consider it, and see whether you have a good point. But repeating the talking point you heard on Fox and the Limbaugh and Hannity shows is not giving an example, or making a good point. It's just repeating what you've been told to think. And of course, that's assuming that you think in the first place.

Go ahead, dummy, let's see if you can come up with an example. You haven't done it yet.

By the way, if you want to persuade reasonable people to pay attention to you, you shouldn't call the President of the United States vile names. It only makes you look like the unthinking extremist that you truly appear to be. President Obama is accomplished far beyond anything you will ever achieve.

[Guest A Proud American]

The President does have the discretion to not enforce certain parts of the ACA. While his authority comes close to crossing the line it doesn't cross it. And I didn't learn that on MSNBC the real place for news.

[Guest Guest]

2dim writes about this as though the line between legislative and executive authority was clear-cut. It's not. Here is a brief analysis from Sarah Kliff, which summarizes the issue quite well.

If you don't trust a blogger at the Washington Post, then read the text of the Supreme Court's decision in Chevron v. NRDC, which analyzes how the executive branch necessarily administers and interprets laws; even if you only read the one-paragraph syllabus at the beginning of the decision, you'll see that the issues are far more complex than 2dim would like them to be. Or read the Second Circuit's decision in Telecommunications Research and Action Center v. FCC, where the Court established a six-prong test for evaluating whether administrative delays in implementing laws were permissible. Under our system of government, all three branches of government have some say in how and when the laws are carried out. Never mind 2dim's hypocrisy in complaining that the ACA isn't being implemented fast enough.

2dim writes and thinks in sound bites, occasionally complete sentences. The people in charge of making these decisions, if they are good at what they do, think in volumes. 2dim is in no position to call anyone else a dummy.

[Guest Strict Constructionist]

All right dummy, I'll give you one example. zerO has made many illegal changes to the ACA without congress. A law cannot legally be changed once enacted without the consent of congress. But then, you won't learn that on MSNBC.

But you were okay with President George W. Bush signing an Executive Order permitting waterboarding notwithstanding Congress having approved a treaty that outlaws torture of captured prisoners? The US Constitution expressly states ratified treaties are the "supreme law" of the land.

You're the biggest hypocrite of all.

[Guest Patriot]

But you were okay with President George W. Bush signing an Executive Order permitting waterboarding notwithstanding Congress having approved a treaty that outlaws torture of captured prisoners? The US Constitution expressly states ratified treaties are the "supreme law" of the land.

You're the biggest hypocrite of all.

Waterboarding is not torture, it's enhanced interrogation. Torture is what America has endured for the last 6+ years.

[Guest Guest]

Waterboarding is not torture, it's enhanced interrogation. Torture is what America has endured for the last 6+ years.

Like lying is truth enhancement . Wrong again. Torture is what reading this board has become with your posts. Dummy

[Guest Guest]

Waterboarding is not torture, it's enhanced interrogation. Torture is what America has endured for the last 6+ years.

George Orwell wrote about that. He called it doublespeak.

Do you realize how stupid you look? Your "arguments" consist of nothing but your biases. If you found out someone had cancer, you're the kind of person who might say it's good for the economy because it helps doctors and eventually morticians have jobs. Do you really think people don't see through that?

[Guest Guest]

George Orwell wrote about that. He called it doublespeak.

Do you realize how stupid you look? Your "arguments" consist of nothing but your biases. If you found out someone had cancer, you're the kind of person who might say it's good for the economy because it helps doctors and eventually morticians have jobs. Do you really think people don't see through that?

What ??

[Guest Guest]

Like lying is truth enhancement . Wrong again. Torture is what reading this board has become with your posts. Dummy

You're right. 2Stupid4Words, a/k/a About-As-Patriotic-As-A-Ground-Hog, a/k/a Kearny Calls-Himself-A-Christian, is like the character in the old Warner Brothers cartoon who paints the side of a mountain black to look like a tunnel so the train will crash into it, only when the train gets there it goes into the tunnel that now magically exists. Or like their screaming now about how President Obama is violating our privacy with intelligence spying. Like the broken clock that is right twice a day, they're right about this one, but when Bush was president, they defended the same thing and called it "The Patriot Act." Or the so-called "Defense of Marriage Act," which didn't defend anything except bigotry.

What 2Stupid4Words thinks wouldn't matter, except there's a very powerful media network telling tens of millions of idiots like 2Stupid4Words what to think, and they swallow every idiotic word of it. If you see 2Stupid4Words post something here, you can bet it was in a story he got from Fox or Limbaugh within the past day or two. People with vast sums of money hire marketers, who know exactly how to fire up idiots like 2Stupid4Words; and 2Stupid4Words and his crowd are too stupid to realize they're being manipulated. And if you tell them, it only gets worse.

[Guest Guest]

You're right. 2Stupid4Words, a/k/a About-As-Patriotic-As-A-Ground-Hog, a/k/a Kearny Calls-Himself-A-Christian, is like the character in the old Warner Brothers cartoon who paints the side of a mountain black to look like a tunnel so the train will crash into it, only when the train gets there it goes into the tunnel that now magically exists. Or like their screaming now about how President Obama is violating our privacy with intelligence spying. Like the broken clock that is right twice a day, they're right about this one, but when Bush was president, they defended the same thing and called it "The Patriot Act." Or the so-called "Defense of Marriage Act," which didn't defend anything except bigotry.

What 2Stupid4Words thinks wouldn't matter, except there's a very powerful media network telling tens of millions of idiots like 2Stupid4Words what to think, and they swallow every idiotic word of it. If you see 2Stupid4Words post something here, you can bet it was in a story he got from Fox or Limbaugh within the past day or two. People with vast sums of money hire marketers, who know exactly how to fire up idiots like 2Stupid4Words; and 2Stupid4Words and his crowd are too stupid to realize they're being manipulated. And if you tell them, it only gets worse.

See kids, this is a brain on drugs. When you start thinking you're being manipulated through a television it's time to just say no.

[Guest Guest]

George Orwell wrote about that. He called it doublespeak.

Do you realize how stupid you look? Your "arguments" consist of nothing but your biases. If you found out someone had cancer, you're the kind of person who might say it's good for the economy because it helps doctors and eventually morticians have jobs. Do you really think people don't see through that?

Pot, Meet Kettle. You just dont get it...You and Patriot are EXACTLY THE SAME...just at opposite ends of the Political Spectrum. Look in the Mirror Sport, you are JUST AS BAD as he is...but your own Dogmatic Bias wont allow you to see it. Another poster put it perfectly "When Assholes Collide"