Police Shootings

[Guest Guest]

The NYC Officer who fired 31 shots and even had to reload should be indicted and be charged with manslaughter. This case stinks and no coverup can cover it up. The City of New York will have to pay out millions of dollars to pay this off.

Why does an Officer do this? Poor training and poor supervision. For firearms training to be realistic it must be scenario based. the HPD doesn't have scenario based firearms training and a police shooting like one that happened in the past could lead to a multi-million dollar settlement.

So what should the HPD do? First, if I was the training officer and the Chief, who will be on a lawsuit, I would insist that FATS training be part of the regular firearms training. This will insure that the Officers are properly trained and won't panic. Many Officer involved shootings can be avoided and this will save the Town huge amounts of money. It will also save the Officer from stress and grief that comes from having to take a life.

So, to the above mentioned Officers take my advice. We had to pay off for a shooting several years ago when a judgement was made that to allow the case to go to trial would be disasterous.

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I only agree that more intensive firearm training should take place. Besides that, I think you should drop dead but before you do, look at the situations and how they differ. Just because a fire arm was fired doesn't make the New York shooting anything like the Harrison one.

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Are you kidding? This shooting wasn't even close to what happened in Harrison. Idiot. Review history.

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hmm..seems you remember the case but you don't remember the specifics, these two instances differ on two very important points. Firstly, the Officer mentioned's partner was being dragged by a motor vehicle driven by the assailant, therefore putting his life in jeopardy. And secondly, the officer who was the shooter in the Harrison incident shot to injure not to kill, unlike the 31 on-target shots in the NYC case.

The CIVIL case that ensued was settled to protect the town of Harrison from having to pay the millions of dollars that our 'free country' would have awarded to the family in a wrongful death suit, but the officer would never have been punished in criminal court because his actions were justified! Contrary to popular belief this situation was investigated intensely, and it was proven that the Police Officer was doing what he needed to do to preserve the safety of the people of Harrison, his partner and himself.

If you think what this officer did was so outrageous, then I am curious to know what you think of the death threats that were made against the Officer and his family, by relatives of the man that was killed?? Also, what do you think of the notice that was published in the local paper, publicly stating that the officer would 'get his'?

[Guest Guest]

ENOUGH

The original topic should have never been posted and neither should the the replies. Leave the past alone. Everyone involved must have suffered enough already. This isn't a petty affair or football game you are talking about, it's people's lives. Let this topic die.

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hmm..seems you remember the case but you don't remember the specifics, these two instances differ on two very important points. Firstly, the Officer mentioned's partner was being dragged by a motor vehicle driven by the assailant, therefore putting his life in jeopardy. And secondly, the officer who was the shooter in the Harrison incident shot to injure not to kill, unlike the 31 on-target shots in the NYC case.

The CIVIL case that ensued was settled to protect the town of Harrison from having to pay the millions of dollars that our 'free country' would have awarded to the family in a wrongful death suit, but the officer would never have been punished in criminal court because his actions were justified! Contrary to popular belief this situation was investigated intensely, and it was proven that the Police Officer was doing what he needed to do to preserve the safety of the people of Harrison, his partner and himself.

If you think what this officer did was so outrageous, then I am curious to know what you think of the death threats that were made against the Officer and his family, by relatives of the man that was killed?? Also, what do you think of the notice that was published in the local paper, publicly stating that the officer would 'get his'?

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iF THERE WHERE DEATH THREATS. A REPORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND CHARGES MADE. IF THE NEWSPAPER FILED AN ARTICLE STATING THAT THE OFFICER WOULD GET HIS, iT TOO SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED. WHO WAS THE CHIEF AND WHO WAS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMMANDER WHEN THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED? WHY DID THE TOWN OF HARRISON SETTLE THIS CASE? BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES LAWYERS HAD NEGOTIATED A SETTLEMENT AND IF THE TOWN DID NOT AGREE TO IT, AND IT WENT TO TRIAL, THE INSURANCE LAWYER ADVISED THAT THE TOWN WOULD LOSE AND BE LIABLE FOR ANYTHING OVER THE NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT. THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE POLICE ADMINISTRATION WHO AGREED THAT A SETTLEMENT WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION TO TAKE. HARRISON WAS A DISTRESSED CITY AT THIS TIME AND COULD NOT AFFORD A MULTI-MILIION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS.

NOW, GETTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PREMISE, HPD OFFICERS DO NOT RECEIVE PROPER FIREARMS TRAINING AND ANY FUTURE SHOOTING WILL BRING OUT THAT FACT THROUGH DISCOVERY OF TRAINING RECORDS. CHIEF, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND START FATS TRAINING. IT MAY COST MORE, BUT WILL PROTECT THE OFFICERS IF THEY NEED TO USE JUSTIFIED DEADLY FORCE.

[Guest Guest]

The NYC Officer who fired 31 shots and even had to reload should be indicted  and be charged with manslaughter. This case stinks and no coverup can cover it up. The City of New York will have to pay out millions of dollars to pay this off.

Why does an Officer do this? Poor training and poor supervision. For firearms training to be realistic it must be scenario based. the HPD doesn't have scenario based firearms training and a police shooting like one that happened in the past could lead to a multi-million dollar settlement.

So what should the HPD do? First, if I was the training officer and the Chief, who will be on a lawsuit, I would insist that FATS training be part of the regular firearms training.  This will insure that the Officers are properly trained and won't panic. Many Officer involved shootings can be avoided and this will save the Town huge amounts of money. It will also save the Officer from stress and grief that comes from having to take a life.

So, to the above mentioned Officers take my advice. We had to pay off for a shooting several years ago when a judgement was made that to allow the case to go to trial would be disasterous.

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You are like most....trying the case in the press or message board in this case. Can't wait for the facts.

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iF THERE WHERE DEATH THREATS. A REPORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND CHARGES MADE. IF THE NEWSPAPER FILED AN ARTICLE STATING THAT THE OFFICER WOULD GET HIS, iT TOO SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED. WHO WAS THE CHIEF AND WHO WAS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMMANDER WHEN THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED? WHY DID THE TOWN OF HARRISON SETTLE THIS CASE? BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES LAWYERS HAD NEGOTIATED A SETTLEMENT AND IF THE TOWN DID NOT AGREE TO IT, AND IT WENT TO TRIAL, THE INSURANCE LAWYER ADVISED THAT THE TOWN WOULD LOSE AND BE LIABLE FOR ANYTHING OVER THE NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT. THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE POLICE ADMINISTRATION WHO AGREED THAT A SETTLEMENT WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION TO TAKE. HARRISON WAS A DISTRESSED CITY AT THIS TIME AND COULD NOT AFFORD A MULTI-MILIION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS.

NOW, GETTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PREMISE, HPD OFFICERS DO NOT RECEIVE PROPER FIREARMS TRAINING AND ANY FUTURE SHOOTING WILL BRING OUT THAT FACT THROUGH DISCOVERY OF TRAINING RECORDS. CHIEF, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND START FATS TRAINING. IT MAY COST MORE, BUT WILL PROTECT THE OFFICERS IF THEY NEED TO USE JUSTIFIED DEADLY FORCE.

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All I have to say is this...if the family involved in the so called settlement with this town of Harrison was awarded such a large sum of money why did the remain in the Harrison Gardens? Bigger can of worms here than anyone in Harrison is willing to address so like somebody said above drop it, it's in the past and everyone involved seems to have gone on with their lives.

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hmm..seems you remember the case but you don't remember the specifics, these two instances differ on two very important points. Firstly, the Officer mentioned's partner was being dragged by a motor vehicle driven by the assailant, therefore putting his life in jeopardy. And secondly, the officer who was the shooter in the Harrison incident shot to injure not to kill, unlike the 31 on-target shots in the NYC case.

The CIVIL case that ensued was settled to protect the town of Harrison from having to pay the millions of dollars that our 'free country' would have awarded to the family in a wrongful death suit, but the officer would never have been punished in criminal court because his actions were justified! Contrary to popular belief this situation was investigated intensely, and it was proven that the Police Officer was doing what he needed to do to preserve the safety of the people of Harrison, his partner and himself.

If you think what this officer did was so outrageous, then I am curious to know what you think of the death threats that were made against the Officer and his family, by relatives of the man that was killed?? Also, what do you think of the notice that was published in the local paper, publicly stating that the officer would 'get his'?

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Police dont shoot to injure. He may have missed but they always shoot to kill. Its how they are trained, if you are going to fire your weapon it is a last case scenario meaning that all other avenues have been exhausted.

[Guest Guest]

Harrison and NYC are like apples and oranges. However, anything can happen at any given time. But any incidents in the HPD have been "good shoots" They were reviewed by the HCPO, presented to a grand jury. And that was their ruling. Whether the cops are right or wrong there will always be some idiot shooting their mouth off without the facts. Just like I have been reading on the previous posts.

No matter if you like your cops or not, as a group or individually, they know how to do their job!

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hmm..seems you remember the case but you don't remember the specifics, these two instances differ on two very important points. Firstly, the Officer mentioned's partner was being dragged by a motor vehicle driven by the assailant, therefore putting his life in jeopardy. And secondly, the officer who was the shooter in the Harrison incident shot to injure not to kill, unlike the 31 on-target shots in the NYC case.

The CIVIL case that ensued was settled to protect the town of Harrison from having to pay the millions of dollars that our 'free country' would have awarded to the family in a wrongful death suit, but the officer would never have been punished in criminal court because his actions were justified! Contrary to popular belief this situation was investigated intensely, and it was proven that the Police Officer was doing what he needed to do to preserve the safety of the people of Harrison, his partner and himself.

If you think what this officer did was so outrageous, then I am curious to know what you think of the death threats that were made against the Officer and his family, by relatives of the man that was killed?? Also, what do you think of the notice that was published in the local paper, publicly stating that the officer would 'get his'?

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IF ONE OFFICER WAS BEING DRAGGED BY THE CAR DRIVEN BY THE ASSAILENT, AND THE OTHEER COP USED HIS GUN ONLY TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE OFFICER THAT WAS BEING ASSAUTED; THEN "why" WOULD THE TOWN END UP PAYING "ANYTHING" IN A WRONGFUL DEATH SUIT TO THE FAMILY OF THE ASSAILENT WHO WAS IN THE WRONG AND CONTINUED TO INJURE THE OFFICER AFTER BEING TOLD TO "STOP?

[Guest Guest]

iF THERE WHERE DEATH THREATS. A REPORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND CHARGES MADE. IF THE NEWSPAPER FILED AN ARTICLE STATING THAT THE OFFICER WOULD GET HIS, iT TOO SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED. WHO WAS THE CHIEF AND WHO WAS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMMANDER WHEN THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED? WHY DID THE TOWN OF HARRISON SETTLE THIS CASE? BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES LAWYERS HAD NEGOTIATED A SETTLEMENT AND IF THE TOWN DID NOT AGREE TO IT, AND IT WENT TO TRIAL, THE INSURANCE LAWYER ADVISED THAT THE TOWN WOULD LOSE AND BE LIABLE FOR ANYTHING OVER THE NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT. THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE POLICE ADMINISTRATION WHO AGREED THAT A SETTLEMENT WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION TO TAKE. HARRISON WAS A DISTRESSED CITY AT THIS TIME AND COULD NOT AFFORD A MULTI-MILIION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS.

NOW, GETTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PREMISE, HPD OFFICERS DO NOT RECEIVE PROPER FIREARMS TRAINING AND ANY FUTURE SHOOTING WILL BRING OUT THAT FACT THROUGH DISCOVERY OF TRAINING RECORDS. CHIEF, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND START FATS TRAINING. IT MAY COST MORE, BUT WILL PROTECT THE OFFICERS IF THEY NEED TO USE JUSTIFIED DEADLY FORCE.

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You are going to have to wait COMSTAT is more important than these training issues!!!!!!!

[Guest Guest]

You seem to know a lot about what the police dept. does and does not do, are you a policeman on the force , because you apear to know dept. policy deficientcies or are privey to policy practices of our dept....or you got a axe to grind on someone

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You seem to know a lot about what the police dept. does and does not do,  are you a policeman on the force , because you apear to know dept. policy deficientcies or are privey to policy practices of our dept....or you got a axe to grind on someone

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First, learn to spell before you post. Second, the case should be re-opened. There's no statute of limitations on homicide. If there was a coverup, it should come out. The Officer's involved were all questioned by the IAD in the same room at the same time, a clear violation of interview and interrogation procedures. The victim's family should have went to trial. They could have moved out of the HG because they would have been awarded big bucks and not the amount they received.

[Guest Guest]

so Pery Mason why don't you take on that task pro-bono because you seem to have a lot of info on that incident. come out from hidding and be a good concerned citizen insead of staying in the dark and making these statements.

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iF THERE WHERE DEATH THREATS. A REPORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND CHARGES MADE. IF THE NEWSPAPER FILED AN ARTICLE STATING THAT THE OFFICER WOULD GET HIS, iT TOO SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED. WHO WAS THE CHIEF AND WHO WAS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMMANDER WHEN THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED? WHY DID THE TOWN OF HARRISON SETTLE THIS CASE? BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES LAWYERS HAD NEGOTIATED A SETTLEMENT AND IF THE TOWN DID NOT AGREE TO IT, AND IT WENT TO TRIAL, THE INSURANCE LAWYER ADVISED THAT THE TOWN WOULD LOSE AND BE LIABLE FOR ANYTHING OVER THE NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT. THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE POLICE ADMINISTRATION WHO AGREED THAT A SETTLEMENT WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION TO TAKE. HARRISON WAS A DISTRESSED CITY AT THIS TIME AND COULD NOT AFFORD A MULTI-MILIION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS.

NOW, GETTING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PREMISE, HPD OFFICERS DO NOT RECEIVE PROPER FIREARMS TRAINING AND ANY FUTURE SHOOTING WILL BRING OUT THAT FACT THROUGH DISCOVERY OF TRAINING RECORDS. CHIEF, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND START FATS TRAINING. IT MAY COST MORE, BUT WILL PROTECT THE OFFICERS IF THEY NEED TO USE JUSTIFIED DEADLY FORCE.

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hmmmmmmmmmm,where have you been? there's alot of training that needs to be addressed. the hpd is a lawsuit waiting to happen. whether it's lack of training at the officer's level or the civilians sitting behind the desk. training has always been an issue. the training courses are there only for a selected elite group,everyone else can wait. even our specialized officers aren't used when necessary. TRAINING AT THE HPD IS A METHOD TO "BEEF UP" YOUR RESUME WHEN YOU FINALLY DECIDE TO MOVE ON! SAD........BUT TRUE.LOOK AT EVERY PROGRAM EVER INTRODUCED TO THE DEPT,SOMEHOW IT'S DROPPED DUE TO LACK OF FUNDS FOR TRAINING. LOOK NO FURTHER THEN SWAT. INVEST ALL THIS MONEY ON EQUIPMENT AND HYPE THE RESIDENTS WITH BOASTING RIGHTS ONLY TO NOW HAVE THE EQUIPMENT GO TO WASTE. I EXPECT TO SEE THE SWAT TRUCK USED AS MOBILE HOUSING FOR PRISONERS.

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hmmmmmmmmmm,where have you been? there's alot of training that needs to be addressed. the hpd is a lawsuit waiting to happen. whether it's lack of training at the officer's level or the civilians sitting behind the desk. training has always been an issue. the training courses are there only for a selected elite group,everyone else can wait. even our specialized officers aren't used when necessary. TRAINING AT THE HPD IS A METHOD TO "BEEF UP" YOUR RESUME WHEN YOU FINALLY DECIDE TO MOVE ON! SAD........BUT TRUE.LOOK AT EVERY PROGRAM EVER INTRODUCED TO THE DEPT,SOMEHOW IT'S DROPPED DUE TO LACK OF FUNDS FOR TRAINING. LOOK NO FURTHER THEN SWAT. INVEST ALL THIS MONEY ON EQUIPMENT AND HYPE THE RESIDENTS WITH BOASTING RIGHTS ONLY TO NOW HAVE THE EQUIPMENT GO TO WASTE. I EXPECT TO SEE THE SWAT TRUCK USED AS MOBILE HOUSING FOR PRISONERS.

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When the SWAT Team was initiated, the officers were sent for training in Pennsylvania with the Hoboken PD. They also received training in all aspects and were certified. Policies and Procedures were in place, and Swat Officers responded to the World Trade Center after a call was made by the PAPD for mutual aid. They served admirably. They also participated in 2000 in providing security for "Op Sail"on the Hudson River. There were 12 original members. Some quit after pressure from the PBA. Others replaced them. During their initial years, the officers volunteered their time to train. The Chief supported them with training and equipment. The Officers on the Team were great guys. They were then given comp time to train. The present Chief has refused to give them comp time to train and they have become inactive. What a waste of training and equipment and a loweing of morale. Lets hope that he willrealize his mistake and re-instate the comp time for training and recruit new officers to the TEAM.

[Guest Guest]

ENOUGH

The original topic should have never been posted and neither should the the replies. Leave the past alone. Everyone involved must have suffered enough already. This isn't a petty affair or football game you are talking about, it's people's lives. Let this topic die.

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The same people who have been complaining about this post have repeatedly slandered other officers on this web. What's the matter boys, you can give, but you can't take.

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The same people who have been complaining about this post have  repeatedly slandered other officers on this web. What's the matter boys, you can give, but you can't take.

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Honey, just because I can kick your ass doesn't mean that I'm a man. And to debunk the whole statement all together, I have never ever 'slandered' a single person on these boards. Go back to your crystal ball Miss Cleo and try again.

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i think everyone should get their facts right. first, the shooting happened on the on ramp to 280, nobody was dragged, the officer tried to turn off the ignition after the car was emobilized,thats when the shooting occurred.second, there was no use of anything except the officers gun , no pepper spray, no anything, he went right to deadly force which is not what they are taught. and third, they knew who he was, they could have gotten him later if he got away. they also knew he never carried a weapon...............never........ so to all you who think you know..you know nothing. i read the transcripts, ask the other officer what he said when he was asked if he would have done the same thing as his partner...you'd be amazed at his answer.....................so leave it alone. let it rest. the family has suffered enough. his children do not need this brought up , they are two exceptional kids.both going to college and being upstanding young adults., all the money in the world isn't enough, they lost their father, their youth. :

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Honey, just because I can kick your ass doesn't mean that I'm a man. And to debunk the whole statement all together, I have never ever 'slandered' a single person on these boards. Go back to your crystal ball Miss Cleo and try again.

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Go ahead, make my day. Is this his mama?

[Guest Guest]

Go ahead, make my day. Is this his mama?

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Apparently your crystal ball is in the shop this week.

[Guest Guest]

i think everyone should get their facts right. first, the shooting happened on the on ramp to 280, nobody was dragged, the officer tried to turn off the ignition after the car was emobilized,thats when the shooting occurred.second, there was no use of anything except the officers gun ,  no pepper spray, no anything, he went right to deadly force which is not what they are taught. and third, they knew who he was, they could have gotten him later if he got away. they also knew he never carried a weapon...............never........ so to all you who think you know..you know nothing. i read the transcripts, ask the other officer what he said  when he was asked if he would have done the same thing as his partner...you'd be amazed at his answer.....................so  leave it alone. let it rest. the family has suffered enough. his children do not need this brought up , they are two exceptional kids.both going to college and being upstanding young adults., all the money in the world isn't enough, they lost their father, their youth. :

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Listen, not one person besides him and the two officers know what happened that day. No one else was there. (At least no one from these boards) We all know the officer and if you believe for a second that he EXECUTED this individual then you are off your rocker. I only agree that the subject should be dropped.

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i think everyone should get their facts right. first, the shooting happened on the on ramp to 280, nobody was dragged, the officer tried to turn off the ignition after the car was emobilized,thats when the shooting occurred.second, there was no use of anything except the officers gun ,  no pepper spray, no anything, he went right to deadly force which is not what they are taught. and third, they knew who he was, they could have gotten him later if he got away. they also knew he never carried a weapon...............never........ so to all you who think you know..you know nothing. i read the transcripts, ask the other officer what he said  when he was asked if he would have done the same thing as his partner...you'd be amazed at his answer.....................so  leave it alone. let it rest. the family has suffered enough. his children do not need this brought up , they are two exceptional kids.both going to college and being upstanding young adults., all the money in the world isn't enough, they lost their father, their youth. :

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You people really should get a clue. It is clearly obvious that none of you know the facts of the case, and nor will you. You are too busy trying to destroy people's lives and digging up something that happen 10 years ago. The "victim" will never be brought back, and all the money in the world will never bring him back. There were many families lives that changed that day, and I am sure it is a painful subject for all involved.

If you are so worried about the children of the "victim", let the subject die and stop this post before it goes any further!!!!

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First, learn to spell before you post. Second, the case should be re-opened. There's no statute of limitations on homicide. If there was a coverup, it should come out. The Officer's involved were all questioned by the IAD in the same room at the same time, a clear violation of interview and interrogation procedures. The victim's family should have went to trial. They could have moved out of the HG because they would have been awarded big bucks and not the amount they received.

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Sorry Bud, you got your facts way wrong. The officers were interviewed seperately, per AG guidelines