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No matter how many times you tell people that government is an indispensable part of modern life, a large percentage of the population still goes after government as its favorite sport. The people who do this aren't trying to make government better, they just want it to go away.

Government can't go away. Not if you want to live the way we live. We need the military and the government-built and -run highways and a safety net for seniors and a systematized health care system and environmental protection and regulations of finance, the workplace and other sectors and investment in new sources of energy and a whole lot more.

You can whine, you can complain all you want. If those things were taken away, we wouldn't have anywhere near the lifestyle we have.

The strongest nation on Earth didn't get that way without an active government. When the Great Depression threatened to destroy this country, it was government that stepped in and pulled us out, and for forty years after that, it was government that held us together with regulations and government programs while the private sector rebounded and grew. And it was government that won World War II - yeah, yeah, yeah, it was also our brave soldiers but they couldn't have done it without an organized military command under a system of laws.

And if anyone on the right responds to this, it will probably be yet another moronic and juvenile evasion of the subject. It would be wonderful if you never had to go to the doctor but that doesn't mean that you should blame your doctor when you get sick. If would be wonderful if you didn't have to pay taxes or obey any laws but without those laws, you wouldn't have any money to pay taxes with. If the American people do not grow up, this country will go the way that all great powers have gone before us. The choice is ours.

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No matter how many times you tell people that government is an indispensable part of modern life, a large percentage of the population still goes after government as its favorite sport. The people who do this aren't trying to make government better, they just want it to go away.

Government can't go away. Not if you want to live the way we live. We need the military and the government-built and -run highways and a safety net for seniors and a systematized health care system and environmental protection and regulations of finance, the workplace and other sectors and investment in new sources of energy and a whole lot more.

You can whine, you can complain all you want. If those things were taken away, we wouldn't have anywhere near the lifestyle we have.

The strongest nation on Earth didn't get that way without an active government. When the Great Depression threatened to destroy this country, it was government that stepped in and pulled us out, and for forty years after that, it was government that held us together with regulations and government programs while the private sector rebounded and grew. And it was government that won World War II - yeah, yeah, yeah, it was also our brave soldiers but they couldn't have done it without an organized military command under a system of laws.

And if anyone on the right responds to this, it will probably be yet another moronic and juvenile evasion of the subject. It would be wonderful if you never had to go to the doctor but that doesn't mean that you should blame your doctor when you get sick. If would be wonderful if you didn't have to pay taxes or obey any laws but without those laws, you wouldn't have any money to pay taxes with. If the American people do not grow up, this country will go the way that all great powers have gone before us. The choice is ours.

Gosh, asking people to think? What a novel idea.

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No matter how many times you tell people that government is an indispensable part of modern life, a large percentage of the population still goes after government as its favorite sport. The people who do this aren't trying to make government better, they just want it to go away.

Government can't go away. Not if you want to live the way we live. We need the military and the government-built and -run highways and a safety net for seniors and a systematized health care system and environmental protection and regulations of finance, the workplace and other sectors and investment in new sources of energy and a whole lot more.

You can whine, you can complain all you want. If those things were taken away, we wouldn't have anywhere near the lifestyle we have.

The strongest nation on Earth didn't get that way without an active government. When the Great Depression threatened to destroy this country, it was government that stepped in and pulled us out, and for forty years after that, it was government that held us together with regulations and government programs while the private sector rebounded and grew. And it was government that won World War II - yeah, yeah, yeah, it was also our brave soldiers but they couldn't have done it without an organized military command under a system of laws.

And if anyone on the right responds to this, it will probably be yet another moronic and juvenile evasion of the subject. It would be wonderful if you never had to go to the doctor but that doesn't mean that you should blame your doctor when you get sick. If would be wonderful if you didn't have to pay taxes or obey any laws but without those laws, you wouldn't have any money to pay taxes with. If the American people do not grow up, this country will go the way that all great powers have gone before us. The choice is ours.

Well, at least your post was titled appropriately, "Stupid On Display".

The government has ONE function; to protect it's citizens. That means a strong military. Our patriots have always understood this, that's why we have the best military in the world.

The Loonys have driven us to near bankruptcy because of their philosophy of cradle to grave nanny care, which has nothing to do with protecting the USA from it's enemies.

Lay off the Kool-Aid and wise up.

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Well, at least your post was titled appropriately, "Stupid On Display".

The government has ONE function; to protect it's citizens. That means a strong military. Our patriots have always understood this, that's why we have the best military in the world.

The Loonys have driven us to near bankruptcy because of their philosophy of cradle to grave nanny care, which has nothing to do with protecting the USA from it's enemies.

Lay off the Kool-Aid and wise up.

You're an idiot. Every industrialized country in the world has a government that does more than merely protect its citizens. How do you explain that, moron?

If you knew anything at all about economics in the 21st century, or the 20th century, you would see what has happened. Capitalism is the most vigorous economic system but if it is unregulated, it falls of the greed that drives it; and while capitalism is good an bringing about innovation most of the time, it fails at that when the start-up costs are too high and the payoff too far into the future. So in addition to protecting us from attack, the government also protects us from the flaws in the best economic system yet devised. Any time we have cut government back too far, as in the 1920s and the 2000s, the economy has collapsed or nearly collapsed - and the only reason it didn't collapse in 2000 was that a system was already in place that allowed government to step in quickly to rescue our country from economic collapse. And because we bought Reagan's ideology that government was the enemy, we refused to invest in new energy technologies, thereby weakening our economy, making ourselves vulnerable to countries that have oil and setting up the conditions that have tempted us to make compromises so we could have oil - all at a cost of our international standing and national security.

You'll ignore all of that, as you always do. To you, the world is a platitude. But in the lives of real people, and to people who think, the choices we have to make are based on the people's welfare, of which our defense is only a part.

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Well, at least your post was titled appropriately, "Stupid On Display".

The government has ONE function; to protect it's citizens. That means a strong military. Our patriots have always understood this, that's why we have the best military in the world.

The Loonys have driven us to near bankruptcy because of their philosophy of cradle to grave nanny care, which has nothing to do with protecting the USA from it's enemies.

Lay off the Kool-Aid and wise up.

So, stupid:

Do you want us to give up the national highway system?

Do you want us to deregulate all the banks and all the insurance companies and all the hedge funds?

Shall we let the utility companies operate unregulated? Get ready to be price-gouged.

Shall we repeal the child labor laws?

Should we repeal all the workplace safety laws? After all, your employer will only do what’s best for you, right?

Should the federal government get completely out of international trade, while every other country’s government makes decisions on behalf of its people?

Should there be no laws protecting freedom of religion, speech, press, petition and assembly? Our founding fathers thought otherwise.

How about laws protecting the right to bear arms? You probably like that one, right, stupid? Do you ever once think about what you're saying? There's no evidence that you do.

Have you ever bothered to read the Preamable to the U.S. Constitution? The common defense is only one of government's functions. Here, stupid, read this:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." [http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/preamble]

Don’t you ever have the sense to be embarrassed how ridiculous you are? According to the people who founded this country, you're just plain wrong. And if you ever got your way, this country would collapse, you jackass. Think for once about what you’re saying.

You’re an idiot.

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So, stupid:

Do you want us to give up the national highway system?

Do you want us to deregulate all the banks and all the insurance companies and all the hedge funds?

Shall we let the utility companies operate unregulated? Get ready to be price-gouged.

Shall we repeal the child labor laws?

Should we repeal all the workplace safety laws? After all, your employer will only do what’s best for you, right?

Should the federal government get completely out of international trade, while every other country’s government makes decisions on behalf of its people?

Should there be no laws protecting freedom of religion, speech, press, petition and assembly? Our founding fathers thought otherwise.

How about laws protecting the right to bear arms? You probably like that one, right, stupid? Do you ever once think about what you're saying? There's no evidence that you do.

Have you ever bothered to read the Preamable to the U.S. Constitution? The common defense is only one of government's functions. Here, stupid, read this:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." [http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/preamble]

Don’t you ever have the sense to be embarrassed how ridiculous you are? According to the people who founded this country, you're just plain wrong. And if you ever got your way, this country would collapse, you jackass. Think for once about what you’re saying.

You’re an idiot.

I feel like a teacher in a 5th grade class. The federal government has one MANDATE, that is to protect it's citizens. Everything you listed, while positive for the effective operations of the country, are not mandates.

Anything else you'd want me clarify for you, just let me know. BTW, I won't call you an idiot, just unimformed.

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I feel like a teacher in a 5th grade class. The federal government has one MANDATE, that is to protect it's citizens. Everything you listed, while positive for the effective operations of the country, are not mandates.

Anything else you'd want me clarify for you, just let me know. BTW, I won't call you an idiot, just unimformed.

You can say anything you want, no matter how uninformed and stupid it is, which you prove nearly every time you post here.

And of course, yet again, you are dead wrong. The word you used was "function," and as your belated attempt at backpeddling demonstrates, you're wrong. In fact, the strongest "mandates" in the Preamble are to "form" the union and "insure" domestic tranquility. That's not to suggest that the common defense is any less important. That would be ridiculous, which explains why you're doing it.

You can quibble all you want over the meaning of the word - form, establish, provide, promote, ensure, secure - that the Framers chose to attach to each enumerated power, and pretend that your radical ideology is both law and history, but in point of fact, the the Framers did not use the word "mandate." Each of the powers is a mandate to be used as necessary, depending on what will best serve the people, for and by whom the Constitution was written. You've completely forgotten that the document was written to serve the people, not to promote your extremist ideology. And since you have zerO knowledge as a constitutional scholar, your idiotic ramblings have no meaning whatsoever.

Furthermore, nothing is more fundamental than forming and maintaining the union. Without that, there is no nation to defend. Without a prosperous people, the ability to defend is compromised. You can't separate these powers as though they had nothing to do with each other, except in the mind of an idiot like you. The Framers were smarter than you, and these past 221 years have proved they got it right.

If you had drafted the Constitution, the country wouldn't have lasted a week. Go ahead, jackass, explain how this country could survive without a strong central government exercising all the powers enumerated in the preamble.

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If you had drafted the Constitution, the country wouldn't have lasted a week. Go ahead, jackass, explain how this country could survive without a strong central government exercising all the powers enumerated in the preamble.

It's a great question. The idiot won't answer it, at least not with any intelligence.

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I feel like a teacher in a 5th grade class. The federal government has one MANDATE, that is to protect it's citizens. Everything you listed, while positive for the effective operations of the country, are not mandates.

Anything else you'd want me clarify for you, just let me know. BTW, I won't call you an idiot, just unimformed.

You do realize that many of the founders opposed the idea of a full-time standing military, right?

Btw-I will call you an idiot as well as uniNformed. :lol:

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You do realize that many of the founders opposed the idea of a full-time standing military, right?

Btw-I will call you an idiot as well as uniNformed. :lol:

A "full-time standing military" was not in the vernacular of the day, the word was "militia". You're still uniNformed.

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A "full-time standing military" was not in the vernacular of the day, the word was "militia". You're still uniNformed.

Stupid,

That's exactly what you were told but you're too stupid to realize it.

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Stupid,

That's exactly what you were told but you're too stupid to realize it.

It’s not only the word that is different. A standing army is vastly different from the militias favored at our country’s founding. Here are some good discussions of the history of militias and a standing army. Notice how militias were abandoned as military technologies advanced.

http://www.history.army.mil/books/amh-v1/ch05.htm

http://www.history.army.mil/books/amh-v1/epilogue.htm

http://www.google.com/search?q=us+standing...ved=0CDsQ5wIwCg

By the late 1700s, when our country was founded, the demands of what was then considered to be the modern world had already created tension between militias and a standing army. The founders opted for militias, as expressed in the Constitution, but those gave way to a standing army as military and other technologies continued to advance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_army

So exactly what is 2stupid4words trying to say? Does he even know? Formally, he’s saying there is no difference between a militia and a standing army; but that is pitifully ignorant of history. (Which probably means that’s exactly what he’s saying.)

Is he saying that we should return to the days of the militias? Does he realize that nearly all our military operations are outside our borders, which is not consistent with state militias as opposed to a modern armed forces? Would even one military expert today propose a return to militias? How freaking stupid do you have to be to argue that we should return to the militias in the nuclear age, or that the difference between a militia and a standing army is just choice of words?

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I feel like a teacher in a 5th grade class. The federal government has one MANDATE, that is to protect it's citizens. Everything you listed, while positive for the effective operations of the country, are not mandates.

Anything else you'd want me clarify for you, just let me know. BTW, I won't call you an idiot, just unimformed.

You should feel like a fifth grade student, not teacher. You are a buffoon.

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