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Corzine will lose in NJ, Reid will lose in NV, Paterson will lose in NY, that's just for starters.

As public anger increases over ObamaCare, many moderate Dems will desert Obama over this bill, afraid of it costing them their jobs next year.

The White House announced today they underestimated the deficit projection by 2 Trillion Dollars (that's a hell of a miscalculation) which will only add to the

angst and anger, making ObamaCare almost impossible to pass.

The stimulus is a failure, remember "2 million new jobs"? Michigan's unemployment is now 15% and up in 10 other states.

Here's the no-spin reality, those who voted for Obama were taken in by his slick, well-spoken style and ignored his empty resume, lack of work experience, lack of government experience and questionable friends. They also wanted to prove to everyone (and themselves) that they weren't racist.

The Dems will lose Congress in '10 because of Obama. Obama is gone in 01/20/13.

Paul will continue to praise the annointed one.

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Corzine will lose in NJ, Reid will lose in NV, Paterson will lose in NY, that's just for starters.

As public anger increases over ObamaCare, many moderate Dems will desert Obama over this bill, afraid of it costing them their jobs next year.

The White House announced today they underestimated the deficit projection by 2 Trillion Dollars (that's a hell of a miscalculation) which will only add to the

angst and anger, making ObamaCare almost impossible to pass.

The stimulus is a failure, remember "2 million new jobs"? Michigan's unemployment is now 15% and up in 10 other states.

Here's the no-spin reality, those who voted for Obama were taken in by his slick, well-spoken style and ignored his empty resume, lack of work experience, lack of government experience and questionable friends. They also wanted to prove to everyone (and themselves) that they weren't racist.

The Dems will lose Congress in '10 because of Obama. Obama is gone in 01/20/13.

Paul will continue to praise the annointed one.

Not this guy again. Get a life.

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Corzine will lose in NJ, Reid will lose in NV, Paterson will lose in NY, that's just for starters.

As public anger increases over ObamaCare, many moderate Dems will desert Obama over this bill, afraid of it costing them their jobs next year.

The White House announced today they underestimated the deficit projection by 2 Trillion Dollars (that's a hell of a miscalculation) which will only add to the

angst and anger, making ObamaCare almost impossible to pass.

The stimulus is a failure, remember "2 million new jobs"? Michigan's unemployment is now 15% and up in 10 other states.

Here's the no-spin reality, those who voted for Obama were taken in by his slick, well-spoken style and ignored his empty resume, lack of work experience, lack of government experience and questionable friends. They also wanted to prove to everyone (and themselves) that they weren't racist.

The Dems will lose Congress in '10 because of Obama. Obama is gone in 01/20/13.

Paul will continue to praise the annointed one.

The stimulus is not a failure. It has succeeded. The stock market has risen by 20% in the seven months since Obama took office. The housing and financial sectors have stabilized. Most economists believe we have averted a catastrophe that would have occurred without the stimulus. You're complaining about 15% unemployment in a state that has suffered for many years because the fortunes of the American car manufacturers declined. It could easily have been 25% or 30% if the economy had collapsed.

You can say dumb things all day long. But you can't change economic reality. When the private sector isn't pumping money into the economy, the only entity that can prevent a catastrophe is the government. They did it and it worked.

What really bothers me is that you want this president to fail. We all have to live here. Shame on you.

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The stimulus is not a failure. It has succeeded. The stock market has risen by 20% in the seven months since Obama took office. The housing and financial sectors have stabilized. Most economists believe we have averted a catastrophe that would have occurred without the stimulus. You're complaining about 15% unemployment in a state that has suffered for many years because the fortunes of the American car manufacturers declined. It could easily have been 25% or 30% if the economy had collapsed.

You can say dumb things all day long. But you can't change economic reality. When the private sector isn't pumping money into the economy, the only entity that can prevent a catastrophe is the government. They did it and it worked.

What really bothers me is that you want this president to fail. We all have to live here. Shame on you.

The stock market has come back because the rest of the world's economy started recovering, not just the US. Please tell me how we are going to pay back all this borrowed money for you so called stimulus. It will fall on our children and their children to pay back and it will only lead to bigger chaos. Saying time will tell when the depression hits is not going to solve anything now. The economic reality is that you should keep to chasing ambulances and stay out of politics. Politicians have manipulated economic figures for years. But keep posting so we can continue hearing all the dumb things you bellow about all day long. After all you are here for all our amusement and we all get a good laugh at you.

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The stimulus is not a failure. It has succeeded. The stock market has risen by 20% in the seven months since Obama took office. The housing and financial sectors have stabilized. Most economists believe we have averted a catastrophe that would have occurred without the stimulus. You're complaining about 15% unemployment in a state that has suffered for many years because the fortunes of the American car manufacturers declined. It could easily have been 25% or 30% if the economy had collapsed.

You can say dumb things all day long. But you can't change economic reality. When the private sector isn't pumping money into the economy, the only entity that can prevent a catastrophe is the government. They did it and it worked.

What really bothers me is that you want this president to fail. We all have to live here. Shame on you.

Curious you didn't mention the deficit which is exploding exponentially. It's about 9 Trillion right now and increasing daily. We're paying China 1 Billion a

month in interest alone. Yet you point to the stock market breaking 9K like it's an end to our problems. News Flash: 9 Trillion Dollars deficit trumps everything else. Obama is proving to be everything I was afraid he'd be, a slick talking empty suit that's driving the U.S. into bankruptcy.

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What happens when the commercial real estate market corrects itself? As most analysts predict is the "other shoe to drop."

Stock market is one thing, jobs have NOT rebounded as promised. Its like the dutch boy that put his finger in the dyke. But, it is not a long term fix. I would bet the market would have corrected itself without any government intervention. Stocks, not the financials, that was a burden created by the need to allow everyone to finance a home regardless of their ability to repay the loan.

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Curious you didn't mention the deficit which is exploding exponentially. It's about 9 Trillion right now and increasing daily. We're paying China 1 Billion a

month in interest alone. Yet you point to the stock market breaking 9K like it's an end to our problems. News Flash: 9 Trillion Dollars deficit trumps everything else. Obama is proving to be everything I was afraid he'd be, a slick talking empty suit that's driving the U.S. into bankruptcy.

1.) You are a F**KING idiot!

2.) The deficit "may" grow to 7 - 9 trillion within "TEN" years.

3.) Do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth D**bA**!

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Hey "2smart" - can we please hear your plan for jump-starting the economy? What EXACTLY would you have done to completely turn things around in 7 months- the length of time the President has been in office?

Do you have ANY idea how complicated the financial situation is? Do you have ANY idea how world economies actually work? Of course you don't - if you did, you would realize that creating 2 million jobs can't happen overnight, you'd realize that while unemployment is indeed a leading indicator (look that up genius), it takes anywhere from 6-12 months for a change to START to happen. The stimulus was passed in February (6 months ago) and...........wait for it..............initial claims for unemployment are starting to level off.

Do you have anything intelligent to say.....ever?

if not, shut the hell up already. Smart people don't have time for you.

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Same old BS from the right wing. You can bet your last cent that if a Democrat had left this mess and a Republican had cleaned it up, these same idiots would be calling for a new spot on Mount Rushmore.

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Curious you didn't mention the deficit which is exploding exponentially. It's about 9 Trillion right now and increasing daily. We're paying China 1 Billion a

month in interest alone. Yet you point to the stock market breaking 9K like it's an end to our problems. News Flash: 9 Trillion Dollars deficit trumps everything else. Obama is proving to be everything I was afraid he'd be, a slick talking empty suit that's driving the U.S. into bankruptcy.

You're wrong. The debt is a major problem but it is less important than an economic collapse. We have to restore our manufacturing base, rebuild our infrastructure, stop the bleeding of foreign oil imports by developing new energy technologies, reform our health care system so that more money goes for care and less to insurance companies and start acting like a world leader in the 21st century. This is not the 19th century any more. We have to stop acting as though the past century never happened. Government must play a major role in steering the national economic system.

When we take care of business, the economy will grow and that will allow us to service the debt and, I hope, pay it off eventually. I see no other way. What's your vision for restoring a healthy economy in the United States?

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You're wrong. The debt is a major problem but it is less important than an economic collapse. We have to restore our manufacturing base, rebuild our infrastructure, stop the bleeding of foreign oil imports by developing new energy technologies, reform our health care system so that more money goes for care and less to insurance companies and start acting like a world leader in the 21st century. This is not the 19th century any more. We have to stop acting as though the past century never happened. Government must play a major role in steering the national economic system.

When we take care of business, the economy will grow and that will allow us to service the debt and, I hope, pay it off eventually. I see no other way. What's your vision for restoring a healthy economy in the United States?

No, you're wrong. What you cite are all long-term goals that we should certainly strive for. Short-term, to stop the bleeding, we need to tighten our belts, cut capital gains and corporate taxes to spur the economy and put health care and other big ticket items on the back burner. And stop sending stimulus checks to Attica and San Quentin.

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No, you're wrong. What you cite are all long-term goals that we should certainly strive for. Short-term, to stop the bleeding, we need to tighten our belts, cut capital gains and corporate taxes to spur the economy and put health care and other big ticket items on the back burner. And stop sending stimulus checks to Attica and San Quentin.

So in your bleeding heart NeoConfused eyes we should continue sending them to Iraq? :ph34r:

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No, you're wrong. What you cite are all long-term goals that we should certainly strive for. Short-term, to stop the bleeding, we need to tighten our belts, cut capital gains and corporate taxes to spur the economy and put health care and other big ticket items on the back burner.

So that's your "solution": Give more money to the rich and put health care for American citizens on the back burner. That's what Bush's presidency was all about. We tried it. Maybe you didn't notice but it didn't work.

If we had "tightened our belts" during a recession that was spiraling down into a depression when Obama took office, what do you think would have happened? The spiral would just continue downward because nobody would have been putting money into the economy. Even the Republicans understood that when John McCain was "suspending his campaign" last fall (yeah, right) to fly down to Washington to make sure the stimulus bill got through.

If we had done it your way, tens of millions of people would be out of their homes, and there probably would be riots in every major city in the United States.

Take a hint, dumbo. When you're as stupid as you are, you're better off being quiet.

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No, you're wrong. What you cite are all long-term goals that we should certainly strive for. Short-term, to stop the bleeding, we need to tighten our belts, cut capital gains and corporate taxes to spur the economy and put health care and other big ticket items on the back burner. And stop sending stimulus checks to Attica and San Quentin.

I disagree with you. What you're describing is what started the bleeding: tax giveaways to the wealthiest Americans, who didn't need them. It didn't spur the economy. Doesn't the history of the Bush administration, which ended in economic disaster, mean anything to you?

Short-term, the bleeding was coming not from overspending but from the collapse of major economic players that had overspeculated because of excessive deregulation. If you want to blame Clinton for part of that, go ahead, and some of the Congressional Democrats, too. But the "leaders" and main proponents of deregulation were the Republicans. It's essentially a Republican philosophy: get the government off everyone's back and everything will be fine, they say.

But the fact is, it won't be OK. This is the 21st century. The economy is extremely complex. Government has to play a major role. If you on the radical right continue to undermine respect for our government, it can't function; and if it can't function effectively, we are all screwed. The history of financial panics dating all the way back to the 1830s in the United States, clearly shows that unregulated capitalism has peaks and valleys; and the more complex the economy becomes, the deeper the valleys are. Finally, at the end of the 1920s, the Great Depression began, during which one-third of Americans had no jobs at certain times.

Think about what that would look like in the urban society we have today. In the 1930's, much of the population was rural. If they had a few acres of land, they could survive. Try to imagine what 30% unemployment would look like anywhere within 50 miles of New York City. People would be looting the homes of those who still had homes. There would probably be riots - essentially a state of violence and anarchy. The country itself would be in danger of collapse. Think about that picture.

It's very popular to criticize and complain about the government, but the fact is, every time government steps too far out of the way, the economy goes into a tailspin. That's the imperfect nature of capitalism: the economic system of choice for the world, but it has to be regulated and government has to do the things that governments do best, like the military, the highways, R&D on major ventures like the space program and energy development and, I believe, structuring the health care system.

It makes no sense to keep saying that we should just keep cutting taxes forever. It's a very popular thing to say but at some point we're going to have to pay taxes. As a nation, we have to stop jerking our knees every time somebody says the word "tax." I pay them, too, and they're a big bite out of my income. But it's better than having the economy collapse; if that happens, I won't have any money to pay in taxes. I wouldn't even be safe in my home.

It also makes no sense to cut capital gains taxes. My sense of values says that the people who work in our factories and who teach in our schools, earning decent incomes but not getting rich, shouldn't pay higher taxes than people who make their money by trading paper. You have to think! You can't just parrot right-wing talking points.

You are right that stimulus checks should not have been send to inmates. It was a mistake and an embarrassment but it's not big enough to affect the economy. Certainly not of the caliber of scandals like Haliburton and Blackwater in Iraq.

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Based on what?

Based on Rush.

I listen to Limbaugh when I can. Pays to get knowledgeable on liars and their bs.

Around March, when the market reached its lowest point, Rush was descrying Obama with his assertion that the market doesn't lie, it knows Obama is a loser and that's why its tanking. He also said because of Obama's socialist policies the whole economy will completely collapse and that we're in very dire economic straights.

Now that the market and economy is rebuilding, the story changes. Now its "Obama had nothing to do with this so-called recovery because things really weren't that bad. It was just a cyclical blip and it would have gotten over this blip faster if Obama wasn't in the way."

For those of you who are wondering why the market and economy still dipped after Obama got into office, its simple. The economic stimulus takes a while and the accelerating downward trend had to be first reversed. Its like a runway train where applying brakes does not stop the train instantly.

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Based on Rush.

I listen to Limbaugh when I can. Pays to get knowledgeable on liars and their bs.

Around March, when the market reached its lowest point, Rush was descrying Obama with his assertion that the market doesn't lie, it knows Obama is a loser and that's why its tanking. He also said because of Obama's socialist policies the whole economy will completely collapse and that we're in very dire economic straights.

Now that the market and economy is rebuilding, the story changes. Now its "Obama had nothing to do with this so-called recovery because things really weren't that bad. It was just a cyclical blip and it would have gotten over this blip faster if Obama wasn't in the way."

For those of you who are wondering why the market and economy still dipped after Obama got into office, its simple. The economic stimulus takes a while and the accelerating downward trend had to be first reversed. Its like a runway train where applying brakes does not stop the train instantly.

Sounds like you're an expert in economics and the effects of economic stimulus packages. I'm sure your schooling supports your claims. Make me laugh.

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