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After 8 years, Bush left office with a 1.5 trillion deficit. After the first 8 months of the Obama administration, 1.27 trillion has been added to the deficit. And that's before any ObamaCare spending is added in.

At this rate of spending, just 4 years of the community organizer will produce a 7.62 trillion deficit.

Is this the "hope", "change" and "yes we can" we've been promised?

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In my opinion, President Obama is doing an excellent job. His main failing, in my view, is that he has not pushed health care legislation forcefully enough or simplified his message enough. In the end, though, if we get a good bill, he will have succeeded. He is fighting against very powerful interests like the insurance companies, which do not want the system to change. Why you insist on siding with them is completely beyond me.

Meanwhile, the DJIA is in the 9,500s, up from the 6,000s when Obama took office; the housing and financial markets have stabilized; and economists are nearly unanimous in saying that the economy is turning around. I am amazed that it has happened so quickly. The President deserves credit for this, which of course, you will never give him. We have incurred a larger debt but the alternative was to let the economy collapse. If Obama had allowed that to happen, you would be calling for his resignation. With you, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

This has all been explained to you before, and as always, you have chosen to ignore what you do not wish to see.

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After 8 years, Bush left office with a 1.5 trillion deficit. After the first 8 months of the Obama administration, 1.27 trillion has been added to the deficit. And that's before any ObamaCare spending is added in.

At this rate of spending, just 4 years of the community organizer will produce a 7.62 trillion deficit.

Is this the "hope", "change" and "yes we can" we've been promised?

Bush has only been capable of MAKING messes, we're in the clean-up phase now and he's certainly not needed.

Try and keep up!

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After 8 years, Bush left office with a 1.5 trillion deficit. After the first 8 months of the Obama administration, 1.27 trillion has been added to the deficit. And that's before any ObamaCare spending is added in.

At this rate of spending, just 4 years of the community organizer will produce a 7.62 trillion deficit.

Is this the "hope", "change" and "yes we can" we've been promised?

Bush also left office with the economy near collapse. In just a few months, Obama has averted a complete catastrophe and gotten the economy back on track. When you spend years neglecting your teeth, don't blame someone else because you have to go to the dentist.

But since you're so smart, you tell us: If you had been sworn in as President in January 2009, what would you have done? Go ahead, idiot. Let's hear it.

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In my opinion, President Obama is doing an excellent job. His main failing, in my view, is that he has not pushed health care legislation forcefully enough or simplified his message enough. In the end, though, if we get a good bill, he will have succeeded. He is fighting against very powerful interests like the insurance companies, which do not want the system to change. Why you insist on siding with them is completely beyond me.

Meanwhile, the DJIA is in the 9,500s, up from the 6,000s when Obama took office; the housing and financial markets have stabilized; and economists are nearly unanimous in saying that the economy is turning around. I am amazed that it has happened so quickly. The President deserves credit for this, which of course, you will never give him. We have incurred a larger debt but the alternative was to let the economy collapse. If Obama had allowed that to happen, you would be calling for his resignation. With you, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

This has all been explained to you before, and as always, you have chosen to ignore what you do not wish to see.

Doing an excellent job?? You're either not paying attention or you think we're not. His approval rating is down to 38% and dropping. He's spent more money in his first 8 months than any president has ever spent in their entire term. He has trashed the Constitution with his socialist programs and illegal takeovers of private corporations and he has broken or ignored every promise he's made. He's stacked his administration with tax cheats and con men.

He's without a doubt a one-hit wonder.

But he's a far left socialist so he gets a pass from the Loonies

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In my opinion, President Obama is doing an excellent job.

Meanwhile, the DJIA is in the 9,500s, up from the 6,000s when Obama took office; the housing and financial markets have stabilized; and economists are nearly unanimous in saying that the economy is turning around. I am amazed that it has happened so quickly.

Things are recovering quickly.

Too bad Obama is not getting the credit he deserved thanks to constant Republican lies and their hate radio enablers.

Many seem to have forgetten the misery we had under the inept and corrupt Bush administration.

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Things are recovering quickly.

Too bad Obama is not getting the credit he deserved thanks to constant Republican lies and their hate radio enablers.

Many seem to have forgetten the misery we had under the inept and corrupt Bush administration.

Things are recovering quickly. That's probably the most ridiculous thing I've read here lately. Just this morning the White House announced it had UNDERESTIMATED the deficit projection by at least 2 TRILLION DOLLARS.

Not to worry, Obama will get all the credit for bankrupting the U.S.

I have not forgotten that Bush protected us from further attack for almost 8 years. Bush will go down in history as one of our greatest presidents.

Obama will be lucky to survive 4 years without getting empeached.

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Doing an excellent job?? You're either not paying attention or you think we're not. His approval rating is down to 38% and dropping. He's spent more money in his first 8 months than any president has ever spent in their entire term. He has trashed the Constitution with his socialist programs and illegal takeovers of private corporations and he has broken or ignored every promise he's made. He's stacked his administration with tax cheats and con men.

He's without a doubt a one-hit wonder.

But he's a far left socialist so he gets a pass from the Loonies

Not this idiot again

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In my opinion, President Obama is doing an excellent job. His main failing, in my view, is that he has not pushed health care legislation forcefully enough or simplified his message enough. In the end, though, if we get a good bill, he will have succeeded. He is fighting against very powerful interests like the insurance companies, which do not want the system to change. Why you insist on siding with them is completely beyond me.

Meanwhile, the DJIA is in the 9,500s, up from the 6,000s when Obama took office; the housing and financial markets have stabilized; and economists are nearly unanimous in saying that the economy is turning around. I am amazed that it has happened so quickly. The President deserves credit for this, which of course, you will never give him. We have incurred a larger debt but the alternative was to let the economy collapse. If Obama had allowed that to happen, you would be calling for his resignation. With you, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

This has all been explained to you before, and as always, you have chosen to ignore what you do not wish to see.

Paul,

Why beat your head against a stone wall? There are those who refuse to see the truth and no amount of evidence or logic will change that. They are consumed by their desire to see President Obama fail. You have systematically enumerated the economic strides just since January, but the pettiness of some has taken precedence over responsible debate and even the survival of our country.

The naysayers would rather be right than successful.

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After 8 years, Bush left office with a 1.5 trillion deficit. After the first 8 months of the Obama administration, 1.27 trillion has been added to the deficit. And that's before any ObamaCare spending is added in.

At this rate of spending, just 4 years of the community organizer will produce a 7.62 trillion deficit.

Is this the "hope", "change" and "yes we can" we've been promised?

Talking points. The truth is that Obama needed to spend the money. If he didn't save the banks or approve the stimulus package, we'd be in a depression right now. He had no choice. McCain would have done so also. You know this is true, 2smart4u.

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In my opinion, President Obama is doing an excellent job. His main failing, in my view, is that he has not pushed health care legislation forcefully enough or simplified his message enough. In the end, though, if we get a good bill, he will have succeeded. He is fighting against very powerful interests like the insurance companies, which do not want the system to change. Why you insist on siding with them is completely beyond me.

Meanwhile, the DJIA is in the 9,500s, up from the 6,000s when Obama took office; the housing and financial markets have stabilized; and economists are nearly unanimous in saying that the economy is turning around. I am amazed that it has happened so quickly. The President deserves credit for this, which of course, you will never give him. We have incurred a larger debt but the alternative was to let the economy collapse. If Obama had allowed that to happen, you would be calling for his resignation. With you, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

This has all been explained to you before, and as always, you have chosen to ignore what you do not wish to see.

I am very concerned about this health care bill and i will tell you why....I have a friend who i have know for many years that was from Canada and told me she would never give up her citizen ship because of the free medical she can get in Canada....She stated if she ever needed an operation or got sick she could always go back to Canada and get free health care.......She came here when she was 19 and married a guy from the service.....She had 3 children and when the kids were teenagers got divorced....She had worked as a waitress and had no medical here in the US..She needed an operation and was able to get Charity Care here in the US.....She continued to praise Canada about their free health care and one day went back to live in Canada to be near her aging parents....After several month of living in Canada she wrote me and told me to forget everything she ever said about Canada Health Care....She stated that the charity care in this nation is better then any health care you could receive in canada.....I have also heard of people selling their homes in Canada to come to the US for medical treatment......I do not want the goverment handling my health care.....and that friend of mine that i have know for many years proved it to me....

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Paul,

Why beat your head against a stone wall? There are those who refuse to see the truth and no amount of evidence or logic will change that. They are consumed by their desire to see President Obama fail. You have systematically enumerated the economic strides just since January, but the pettiness of some has taken precedence over responsible debate and even the survival of our country.

The naysayers would rather be right than successful.

No, he has enumerated his opinions and that's it. And you know what they say about opinions.

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I am very concerned about this health care bill and i will tell you why....I have a friend who i have know for many years that was from Canada and told me she would never give up her citizen ship because of the free medical she can get in Canada....She stated if she ever needed an operation or got sick she could always go back to Canada and get free health care.......She came here when she was 19 and married a guy from the service.....She had 3 children and when the kids were teenagers got divorced....She had worked as a waitress and had no medical here in the US..She needed an operation and was able to get Charity Care here in the US.....She continued to praise Canada about their free health care and one day went back to live in Canada to be near her aging parents....After several month of living in Canada she wrote me and told me to forget everything she ever said about Canada Health Care....She stated that the charity care in this nation is better then any health care you could receive in canada.....I have also heard of people selling their homes in Canada to come to the US for medical treatment......I do not want the goverment handling my health care.....and that friend of mine that i have know for many years proved it to me....

I also don't believe this story.

The fact is the Republicans and the health care industry make up stories left and right.

Now all of a sudden we get many "personal" stories of individuals being treated really poorly in other countries. I think these stories are bs, lies made up just like the Death Panel stories.

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Paul,

Why beat your head against a stone wall? There are those who refuse to see the truth and no amount of evidence or logic will change that. They are consumed by their desire to see President Obama fail. You have systematically enumerated the economic strides just since January, but the pettiness of some has taken precedence over responsible debate and even the survival of our country.

The naysayers would rather be right than successful.

I know, but we all have to live here. People are being fed a steady diet of hatred and distortion. It's important that we keep stating the facts.

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Hey "2smart" - I've been reading your posts lately. You and people like you are destroying the Republican party - do you realize that? Every time you or your cronies mouth off and show intolerance and ignorance - people who are actually smart laugh and thank the good Lord that there are people like you.

The problem with politics (and with this forum) is that there is no room for intelligent debate. There is no room for questions and answers. It's just mudslinging. That's precisely why nothing ever gets done in Washington, Trenton, or most any other place that elected officials are supposed to "work."

So - do us all a favor and find something else to do besides live your life attached to this forum. All you do is make yourself look like an idiot.

And to the "Guest" who posted on Aug 24 at 1:04 PM - it wasn't Bush who protected us from further attack - it was the brave men & women of our Armed Forces. And please don't tell me that it was Bush's leadership or the fact that he was Commander-in-Chief that got those forces mobilized. Anyone who knows anything about the inner workings of the military knows that a group of life-long and very smart soldiers call the shots. The President is advised and ultimately makes the decisions, sure, but he doesn't make any decisions alone.

Finally to you, Mr. Guest - the word is impeached not empeached. If you or "2smart" are going to waste people's time with your silly ramblings - at least use spell-check.

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I know, but we all have to live here. People are being fed a steady diet of hatred and distortion. It's important that we keep stating the facts.

Unfortunately, the steady diet of distortions is coming from the mainstream media and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

They claim that care won't be rationed, but they will still cut costs. So, question, who does the healthcare money get spent on, the healthy or the sick? So to cut costs, it would seem logical that the care will be affected, negatively IMO.

Now the argument is that the costs will be cut by reducing the profit of the insurance companies; so instead of the insurance companies lining their pockets will be an enormous GOVERNMENT bureaucracy. We know how efficient they can be, just look at the Post Office, they provide great service, don't get me wrong, but how many taxpayer dollars are infused into that behemoth annually.

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I know, but we all have to live here. People are being fed a steady diet of hatred and distortion. It's important that we keep stating the facts.

My post was written in a moment of pure frustration. Of course, you're right to keep putting the truth out there. If even one, well-intentioned but ill-informed reader gets it, then it's worth the effort. Although I am a "member of the choir", I will continue to read your posts just to enhance my own understanding of the issues. Thank you.

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Hey "2smart" - I've been reading your posts lately. You and people like you are destroying the Republican party - do you realize that? Every time you or your cronies mouth off and show intolerance and ignorance - people who are actually smart laugh and thank the good Lord that there are people like you.

The problem with politics (and with this forum) is that there is no room for intelligent debate. There is no room for questions and answers. It's just mudslinging. That's precisely why nothing ever gets done in Washington, Trenton, or most any other place that elected officials are supposed to "work."

So - do us all a favor and find something else to do besides live your life attached to this forum. All you do is make yourself look like an idiot.

And to the "Guest" who posted on Aug 24 at 1:04 PM - it wasn't Bush who protected us from further attack - it was the brave men & women of our Armed Forces. And please don't tell me that it was Bush's leadership or the fact that he was Commander-in-Chief that got those forces mobilized. Anyone who knows anything about the inner workings of the military knows that a group of life-long and very smart soldiers call the shots. The President is advised and ultimately makes the decisions, sure, but he doesn't make any decisions alone.

Finally to you, Mr. Guest - the word is impeached not empeached. If you or "2smart" are going to waste people's time with your silly ramblings - at least use spell-check.

So glad to see the typo police are on duty today.

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I also don't believe this story.

The fact is the Republicans and the health care industry make up stories left and right.

Now all of a sudden we get many "personal" stories of individuals being treated really poorly in other countries. I think these stories are bs, lies made up just like the Death Panel stories.

First of all Im not a republican...Second of all....THIS STORY WAS NOT MADE UP...I Have no reason to make a story like this up...People better wake up and see what is going on in the goverment....

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Unfortunately, the steady diet of distortions is coming from the mainstream media and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

They claim that care won't be rationed, but they will still cut costs. So, question, who does the healthcare money get spent on, the healthy or the sick? So to cut costs, it would seem logical that the care will be affected, negatively IMO.

Now the argument is that the costs will be cut by reducing the profit of the insurance companies; so instead of the insurance companies lining their pockets will be an enormous GOVERNMENT bureaucracy. We know how efficient they can be, just look at the Post Office, they provide great service, don't get me wrong, but how many taxpayer dollars are infused into that behemoth annually.

You say that, but the facts do not support you. The USA is the only industrialized nation in the world without a national health system. Many countries have single payer systems. By every objective standard of measurement, such as longevity and infant mortality, virtually all of them are delivering better health care to their people for less money than here in the USA.

Government is inefficient and bureaucratic. You're absolutely right. But for all its faults, government has a critical role to play in a health care system. We are foolish if we do not pay attention to the fact that other countries whose governments are more deeply involved in their health care system than ours is, have better health care at a lesser per capita cost.

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First of all Im not a republican...Second of all....THIS STORY WAS NOT MADE UP...I Have no reason to make a story like this up...People better wake up and see what is going on in the goverment....

Wow. An anonymous guest asserting in all caps that his previous far-fetched post was true, then admonishing us to "wake up". That's convincing.

But, it hardly matters whether the anecdote is made up or not. More important is simply that it is an anecdote. In anything as large and complex as a country's health care system, there are bound to be a range of experiences. There are also biases that will color the retelling of those experiences. So, it is all too easy to paint a false picture by cherry picking anecdotes. It is also exceedingly common, and, unfortunately, fairly effective, even though it shouldn't be.

The subject that I'd most like to see taught at every grade in the public schools is critical thinking. Our democracy would be much better for it.

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You say that, but the facts do not support you. The USA is the only industrialized nation in the world without a national health system. Many countries have single payer systems. By every objective standard of measurement, such as longevity and infant mortality, virtually all of them are delivering better health care to their people for less money than here in the USA.

Government is inefficient and bureaucratic. You're absolutely right. But for all its faults, government has a critical role to play in a health care system. We are foolish if we do not pay attention to the fact that other countries whose governments are more deeply involved in their health care system than ours is, have better health care at a lesser per capita cost.

As long as there are big corporations running the Health Care System, we will never have a national health care system. It is all about profit and answering to stockholders. I disagree with you in saying we are "foolish" in paying attention to other countries who have national health care. You give no examples of which countries that have better health care than the US. Back up your statements with proof. You accuse everyone who you disagree of not providing it so why is it ok for you. Its easy for you to toss out quotes with no backing. Its what you do.

From the countries I have visited they wish they didnt have to pay for their national health care. In France for example. 52 % of the average salary goes to health care. Much of it is administrative which the US will run into the same situation here. Tell it to the average American that he is going to have to put out 1/2 of his salary to support someone who is either an illegal citizen or a foreigner coming in just to use our health system. You should think twice before just towing along the Democratic line.

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