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ObamaCare is going nowhere. The Wall Street Journal called the House bill the worst legislation ever introduced in Congress. David Chase of the NY Slimes called the legislation "liberals on a suicide march".

The Blue Dogs are jumping ship, they want no part of this runaway train that the annointed one is steering off the tracks. Obama's popularity is dropping fast, it's under 50% in all catagories.

The Dems won't admit it but many GOP Senators are predicting bankruptcy by the end of the year if Obama is not stopped.

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ObamaCare is going nowhere. The Wall Street Journal called the House bill the worst legislation ever introduced in Congress. David Chase of the NY Slimes called the legislation "liberals on a suicide march".

The Blue Dogs are jumping ship, they want no part of this runaway train that the annointed one is steering off the tracks. Obama's popularity is dropping fast, it's under 50% in all catagories.

The Dems won't admit it but many GOP Senators are predicting bankruptcy by the end of the year if Obama is not stopped.

We're already bankrupt, D**bA**!

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ObamaCare is going nowhere. The Wall Street Journal called the House bill the worst legislation ever introduced in Congress. David Chase of the NY Slimes called the legislation "liberals on a suicide march".

The Blue Dogs are jumping ship, they want no part of this runaway train that the annointed one is steering off the tracks. Obama's popularity is dropping fast, it's under 50% in all catagories.

The Dems won't admit it but many GOP Senators are predicting bankruptcy by the end of the year if Obama is not stopped.

1. Your predictions lost credibility with President Guiliani.

2. Nothing you say ever has any credbility anyway. You just say whatever would make Democrats look bad, if it was true.

3. It's not true. Obama's popularity is not under 50% in all categories. The stock market is back up to nearly 9,000. Two of the major financial companies just reported big profits. Unemployment is high but not as high as many predicted. Just because it's still bad doesn't mean Obama isn't doing a good job. He is, and tonight he will have a news conference. He will rally the people.

4. The Wall Street Journal was taken over by rabid right-winger Rupert Murdoch. It leaned far to the right before he bought it and has tipped completely over since.

5. It's David Brooks, moron, and he's not "of the NY" Times. He is a conservative Republican columnist who writes an Op-Ed piece for them once or twice a week. He wrote an interesting but misleading piece in which he completely ignored the merits of the proposed legislation. All he focused on was the political difficulty getting major legislation passed. And then he compared the Democrats to the Republicans even though the cases are not parallel.

6. The reason good health care legislation is so hard to get is that powerful interests, especially the insurance industry, want to protect their "right" to fleece the American people with the current system. Apparently you enjoy having your pocket picked. Other countries have done away with that and are paying less for better health care. If you cared about the truth and about your country, you would pay attention to the facts, not just the short-term politics.

7. Most important, we need national health care and we are going to have it. If we fail, then the country fails.

8. You would be perfectly happy seeing the country fail under Obama because that would fit in with your little right-wing fantasies.

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1. Your predictions lost credibility with President Guiliani.

2. Nothing you say ever has any credbility anyway. You just say whatever would make Democrats look bad, if it was true.

3. It's not true. Obama's popularity is not under 50% in all categories. The stock market is back up to nearly 9,000. Two of the major financial companies just reported big profits. Unemployment is high but not as high as many predicted. Just because it's still bad doesn't mean Obama isn't doing a good job. He is, and tonight he will have a news conference. He will rally the people.

4. The Wall Street Journal was taken over by rabid right-winger Rupert Murdoch. It leaned far to the right before he bought it and has tipped completely over since.

5. It's David Brooks, moron, and he's not "of the NY" Times. He is a conservative Republican columnist who writes an Op-Ed piece for them once or twice a week. He wrote an interesting but misleading piece in which he completely ignored the merits of the proposed legislation. All he focused on was the political difficulty getting major legislation passed. And then he compared the Democrats to the Republicans even though the cases are not parallel.

6. The reason good health care legislation is so hard to get is that powerful interests, especially the insurance industry, want to protect their "right" to fleece the American people with the current system. Apparently you enjoy having your pocket picked. Other countries have done away with that and are paying less for better health care. If you cared about the truth and about your country, you would pay attention to the facts, not just the short-term politics.

7. Most important, we need national health care and we are going to have it. If we fail, then the country fails.

8. You would be perfectly happy seeing the country fail under Obama because that would fit in with your little right-wing fantasies.

You've obviously lost your mind some time ago, probably the Kool-Aid.

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1. Your predictions lost credibility with President Guiliani.

2. Nothing you say ever has any credbility anyway. You just say whatever would make Democrats look bad, if it was true.

3. It's not true. Obama's popularity is not under 50% in all categories. The stock market is back up to nearly 9,000. Two of the major financial companies just reported big profits. Unemployment is high but not as high as many predicted. Just because it's still bad doesn't mean Obama isn't doing a good job. He is, and tonight he will have a news conference. He will rally the people.

4. The Wall Street Journal was taken over by rabid right-winger Rupert Murdoch. It leaned far to the right before he bought it and has tipped completely over since.

5. It's David Brooks, moron, and he's not "of the NY" Times. He is a conservative Republican columnist who writes an Op-Ed piece for them once or twice a week. He wrote an interesting but misleading piece in which he completely ignored the merits of the proposed legislation. All he focused on was the political difficulty getting major legislation passed. And then he compared the Democrats to the Republicans even though the cases are not parallel.

6. The reason good health care legislation is so hard to get is that powerful interests, especially the insurance industry, want to protect their "right" to fleece the American people with the current system. Apparently you enjoy having your pocket picked. Other countries have done away with that and are paying less for better health care. If you cared about the truth and about your country, you would pay attention to the facts, not just the short-term politics.

7. Most important, we need national health care and we are going to have it. If we fail, then the country fails.

8. You would be perfectly happy seeing the country fail under Obama because that would fit in with your little right-wing fantasies.

Thank you for the substance in response to a duncestance (Toobus the nudnik).

The reddened quote above is heavy duty candor, man. Why would the profiteering status quo not pull out the heavy weapons to prevent common sense taking place? Like apartheid Israel's hyper control of everything public relations concerning its crimes, get yourself a press agent/lobby to poison the herd with lies..........

People, just think about something.......in the world of PROPER, efficient healthcare why would anyone design a system where a third party.........a friggin INSURANCE cluster of corporations.........becomes lord and master? This chit came to us in majestically slow graduation while America was cementing its dumbed down materialistic caffone mindset elsewhere and "suddenly" we have this grand tradition of huge healthcare dollars going not to ANYONE dealing with syringes or bedpans or bloodpacks or oxygen or scalpels..........but to some bevy of calculating Gucci jerkoffs in glass towers. NICE!

Doesn't such a thing as healthcare........think of it as an abstract........prompt a reasonable person to think that all the energies, payments and earnings that define the experience should be between those human beings in need of care and those that DO the care? How sad and even criminal that America's lust for profit above all gave rise to the "brokers" of healthcare and what surely is the CHUNK of healthcare dollars taken that would easily provide healthcare coverage for ALL American citizens if the Insurance company scum were driven out of the picture.

Insurance models work for housefires and auto accidents. Extending it to healthcare access for what is claimed to be the greatest nation in the world serves as a model for another book by Jonathan Swift.

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Thank you for the substance in response to a duncestance (Toobus the nudnik).

The reddened quote above is heavy duty candor, man. Why would the profiteering status quo not pull out the heavy weapons to prevent common sense taking place? Like apartheid Israel's hyper control of everything public relations concerning its crimes, get yourself a press agent/lobby to poison the herd with lies..........

People, just think about something.......in the world of PROPER, efficient healthcare why would anyone design a system where a third party.........a friggin INSURANCE cluster of corporations.........becomes lord and master? This chit came to us in majestically slow graduation while America was cementing its dumbed down materialistic caffone mindset elsewhere and "suddenly" we have this grand tradition of huge healthcare dollars going not to ANYONE dealing with syringes or bedpans or bloodpacks or oxygen or scalpels..........but to some bevy of calculating Gucci jerkoffs in glass towers. NICE!

Doesn't such a thing as healthcare........think of it as an abstract........prompt a reasonable person to think that all the energies, payments and earnings that define the experience should be between those human beings in need of care and those that DO the care? How sad and even criminal that America's lust for profit above all gave rise to the "brokers" of healthcare and what surely is the CHUNK of healthcare dollars taken that would easily provide healthcare coverage for ALL American citizens if the Insurance company scum were driven out of the picture.

Insurance models work for housefires and auto accidents. Extending it to healthcare access for what is claimed to be the greatest nation in the world serves as a model for another book by Jonathan Swift.

What other response would I expect from a leftist fool. You remind me of a Jonestown follower who drank the Kool-Aid at their annointed one's command.

The health insurance industry doesn't need a government takeover, the health insurance industry needs government oversight and regulation.

Even leftist fools can't really believe a bureaucrat in Washington making decisions about your healthcare will be a good thing.

On second thought, you'd believe it.

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What other response would I expect from a leftist fool. You remind me of a Jonestown follower who drank the Kool-Aid at their annointed one's command.

The health insurance industry doesn't need a government takeover, the health insurance industry needs government oversight and regulation.

Even leftist fools can't really believe a bureaucrat in Washington making decisions about your healthcare will be a good thing.

On second thought, you'd believe it.

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According to Sicko, almost fifty million Americans are uninsured and those who are covered are often victims of insurance company fraud and red tape. Interviews are conducted with people who thought they had adequate coverage but were denied care, as well as former employees of insurance companies who describe cost-cutting initiatives that encourage bonuses and financial benefits for insurance companies and insurance company physicians to deny medical treatments for policy holders.

In Canada, Moore describes the case of Tommy Douglas, who was voted the greatest Canadian in 2004 for his contributions to the Canadian health system. Moore also interviews a microsurgeon and people waiting in the emergency room of a Canadian public hospital.

Against the backdrop of the history of the American health care debate, opponents of universal health care are set in the context of 1950s-style anti-communist propaganda. A 1960s record distributed by the American Medical Association and narrated by Ronald Reagan warns that universal health care could lead to communism. In response, Moore shows that socialized public services like police, fire service, postal service, public education and community libraries have not led to communism in the United States.

The origins of the Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973 are presented using a taped conversation between John Ehrlichman and President Richard Nixon on February 17, 1971; Ehrlichman is heard telling Nixon that "...the less care they give them, the more money they make", a plan that Nixon remarked "fine" and "not bad". This led to the expansion of the modern HMO-based health care system. Connections are highlighted between Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the lobbying arm of the largest drug companies in the United States, lobbying groups in Washington D.C., and the United States Congress. Hillary Clinton, a champion of the Clinton health care plan, is shown as a crusader for change, appointed to reform the health care system in the United States by her husband, newly elected President Bill Clinton. Her efforts are met with heavy-handed criticisms by Republicans on Capitol Hill, and right-wing media throughout the country, who characterize her plan as the harbinger of socialism. When she is defeated, her punishment is to "never speak of it again while in the White House." Seven years later, her silence is rewarded, as she becomes a Senator for the State of New York, a victory made possible in part by money from the health care industry; she is second only to Rick Santorum as the Senate's highest recipient of health care industry campaign donations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko

1- Far be it for an incorrigible nitwit like Toobus to speak for anyone.

2- Any similar nitwit that will try to discount and discard the facts highlighted above because it floats in a Michael Moore film should be firehosed on videotape running naked down the street before a cheering holiday crowd because cowards need their due.

3- The prospects of an America under the Obama helm free of the entrenched corporate monsters are mere daydreams. Concerning president Obama and my vote for him, I wish him well but hold no illusions about real reform that would put the best interests of the American public before the insatiable greed of a narrow American parasite class. John McCain and that ridiculous bimbo from Alaska had to be stopped and Obama was the only answer.

4- We get the government we deserve, boys and girls.

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What other response would I expect from a leftist fool. You remind me of a Jonestown follower who drank the Kool-Aid at their annointed one's command.

The health insurance industry doesn't need a government takeover, the health insurance industry needs government oversight and regulation.

Even leftist fools can't really believe a bureaucrat in Washington making decisions about your healthcare will be a good thing.

On second thought, you'd believe it.

And what kind of person thinks that having insurance companies make decisions about your health care is a good thing? An intelligent person doesn't just ask whether government is inefficient. He also asks: compared to what?

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And what kind of person thinks that having insurance companies make decisions about your health care is a good thing? An intelligent person doesn't just ask whether government is inefficient. He also asks: compared to what?

I see reading comprehension is a problem for you. Read my post again, I said oversight and regulation (of insurance companies, what else?) is

government's role in this.

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I see reading comprehension is a problem for you. Read my post again, I said oversight and regulation (of insurance companies, what else?) is government's role in this.

So you said it. So what? HOW will oversight and regulation of insurance companies address our problems?

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