Another failed promise.

[Guest 2smart4u]

Another campaign promise up in smoke. Remember the "I'll close Gitmo" promise? Well, it seems there never was a plan and apparently not even a thought as to how he would do it. Now it's been put on the "back burner" for a while.

How about the budget cuts? They amount to .5 percent of the 2010 budget. I feel so much better.

Remember the "The U.S. doesn't torture" speech? How is it calling in the unmanned drones to blast villages where suspected terrorists are hiding OK?

[Guest Guest]

Another campaign promise up in smoke. Remember the "I'll close Gitmo" promise? Well, it seems there never was a plan and apparently not even a thought as to how he would do it. Now it's been put on the "back burner" for a while.

How about the budget cuts? They amount to .5 percent of the 2010 budget. I feel so much better.

Remember the "The U.S. doesn't torture" speech? How is it calling in the unmanned drones to blast villages where suspected terrorists are hiding OK?

You are astinishingly stupid if you're unable to understand the difference between attacking a target and torture.

[Guest Keith]

Another campaign promise up in smoke. Remember the "I'll close Gitmo" promise? Well, it seems there never was a plan and apparently not even a thought as to how he would do it. Now it's been put on the "back burner" for a while.

How about the budget cuts? They amount to .5 percent of the 2010 budget. I feel so much better.

Remember the "The U.S. doesn't torture" speech? How is it calling in the unmanned drones to blast villages where suspected terrorists are hiding OK?

Geez! f**k off already.

[Guest ny slimes affiliate]

Another campaign promise up in smoke. Remember the "I'll close Gitmo" promise? Well, it seems there never was a plan and apparently not even a thought as to how he would do it. Now it's been put on the "back burner" for a while.

How about the budget cuts? They amount to .5 percent of the 2010 budget. I feel so much better.

Remember the "The U.S. doesn't torture" speech? How is it calling in the unmanned drones to blast villages where suspected terrorists are hiding OK?

NYTIMES [op-ed specifically] has been all over Gitmo and Bagram since Obama got elected, asking tough questions, holding obama accountable for his promises and criticizing his slow to move/deceptive actions. So much for your theory about their liberal bias. Watch more cable news, moron!

[Guest Guest]

Another campaign promise up in smoke. Remember the "I'll close Gitmo" promise? Well, it seems there never was a plan and apparently not even a thought as to how he would do it. Now it's been put on the "back burner" for a while.

How about the budget cuts? They amount to .5 percent of the 2010 budget. I feel so much better.

Remember the "The U.S. doesn't torture" speech? How is it calling in the unmanned drones to blast villages where suspected terrorists are hiding OK?

Wow this is funny, your worry about our country’s budget but you don’t really care about our own town budget which you can actually do something about. What make this even so much funnier is this is a local forum about Kearny but what can you expect from posting about being white and grammar mistake in the paper.

[Guest 2smart4u]

You are astinishingly stupid if you're unable to understand the difference between attacking a target and torture.

astinishingly ?

A target? A village with women and children is hardly a target.

Waterboarding is not torture. VMI has waterboarded it's freshmen for years. Our military do it to each other. Only girleymen like you think it's torture.

[Guest Guest]

astinishingly ?

A target? A village with women and children is hardly a target.

Waterboarding is not torture. VMI has waterboarded it's freshmen for years. Our military do it to each other. Only girleymen like you think it's torture.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh! girleymen! I'm soooooooooooooooooooo hurt!

YOU are TRULY an ignorant anus.

WHERE was your ASININE whining when your pissant little cowboy was bombing civilian villages you stupid little ignorant hypocritical ass?

[Guest Guest]

astinishingly ?

A target? A village with women and children is hardly a target.

Waterboarding is not torture. VMI has waterboarded it's freshmen for years. Our military do it to each other. Only girleymen like you think it's torture.

Tell you what, girleyman, you tell who you are and we'll arrange to have you waterboarded.

According to Article 17 of the Geneva Convention: “No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.”

According to Article 87, governing the treatment of prisoners of war: “Collective punishment for individual acts, corporal punishments, imprisonment in premises without daylight and, in general, any form of torture or cruelty, are forbidden.”

According to Article 130, which pertains to the execution of the Convention’s provisions: “Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, compelling a prisoner of war to serve in the forces of the hostile Power, or wilfully depriving a prisoner of war of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed in this Convention.”

According to Article 129: “The High Contracting Parties undertake to enact any legislation necessary to provide effective penal sanctions for persons committing, or ordering to be committed, any of the grave breaches of the present Convention defined in the following Article.” This means that all nations agreeing to the Geneva Convention, including the United States, have agreed to punish those who commit grave breaches of the Convention’s provisions. There is absolutely no question that the Bush administration violated Article 130 in several particulars, including waterboarding and including the deprivation of due process. They can’t call our prisoners enemy combatants without also classifying them as prisoners of war.

2stupid4words’ comments don’t mean anything. We all know he just says whatever he wants to say, regardless of the facts. The above are the facts.

[Guest keith]

astinishingly ?

A target? A village with women and children is hardly a target.

Waterboarding is not torture. VMI has waterboarded it's freshmen for years. Our military do it to each other. Only girleymen like you think it's torture.

Really? Are you willing to do it?

[Guest hmm]

astinishingly ?

A target? A village with women and children is hardly a target.

Waterboarding is not torture. VMI has waterboarded it's freshmen for years. Our military do it to each other. Only girleymen like you think it's torture.

girleymen?

learn how to spell your sexist insults.

fu***r.

[Guest Guest]

astinishingly ?

A target? A village with women and children is hardly a target.

Waterboarding is not torture. VMI has waterboarded it's freshmen for years. Our military do it to each other. Only girleymen like you think it's torture.

And in that case it is considered hazing, which is still illegal, moron

[Guest 2smart4u]

Tell you what, girleyman, you tell who you are and we'll arrange to have you waterboarded.

According to Article 17 of the Geneva Convention: “No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.”

According to Article 87, governing the treatment of prisoners of war: “Collective punishment for individual acts, corporal punishments, imprisonment in premises without daylight and, in general, any form of torture or cruelty, are forbidden.”

According to Article 130, which pertains to the execution of the Convention’s provisions: “Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, compelling a prisoner of war to serve in the forces of the hostile Power, or wilfully depriving a prisoner of war of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed in this Convention.”

According to Article 129: “The High Contracting Parties undertake to enact any legislation necessary to provide effective penal sanctions for persons committing, or ordering to be committed, any of the grave breaches of the present Convention defined in the following Article.” This means that all nations agreeing to the Geneva Convention, including the United States, have agreed to punish those who commit grave breaches of the Convention’s provisions. There is absolutely no question that the Bush administration violated Article 130 in several particulars, including waterboarding and including the deprivation of due process. They can’t call our prisoners enemy combatants without also classifying them as prisoners of war.

2stupid4words’ comments don’t mean anything. We all know he just says whatever he wants to say, regardless of the facts. The above are the facts.

I'm so glad you posted the Geneva Convention articles, you just proved my point. You'll notice the articles refer to prisoners of WAR.

We are not at WAR, there has never been a WAR declared by Congress or the President. We are fighting TERRORISM,which the Geneva Convention does not address, therefore the Geneva Convention does not apply.

So all you girleymen continue to fret over how bad we're treating terrorists, while the real men are protecting your sorry asses.

[Guest Guest]

I'm so glad you posted the Geneva Convention articles, you just proved my point. You'll notice the articles refer to prisoners of WAR.

We are not at WAR, there has never been a WAR declared by Congress or the President. We are fighting TERRORISM,which the Geneva Convention does not address, therefore the Geneva Convention does not apply.

So all you girleymen continue to fret over how bad we're treating terrorists, while the real men are protecting your sorry asses.

So in order to justify torture, you have to claim that we're not at war. This claim is completely contrary to Mr. Bush's entire presidency. On February 7, 2004, he said explicitly "I'm a war president." He called the invasion of Iraq a "war of necessity."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...MNGOF4RUT31.DTL

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/24/opinion/24krugman.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Apr16.html

Your favorite "news" organization has referred repeatedly to the war in Iraq, along with all your favorite commentators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79630,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100da...-war-activists/

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/05/25/tipsy_..._falsehoods.php

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/09/30/fox_ne...oveonorg_ad.php

http://www.theamericancause.org/johnseanhannity.htm

http://mediamatters.org/research/200702020017

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298999,00.html

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&...e3-d94c7b615492

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGAibec9JsA...feature=related

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=938921

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/...as_b_33209.html

You and your fellow ignoramuses were constantly berating everyone who didn't agree with Bush because we were at war, according to you. By the way, misperceptions about the war were highest among Fox viewers. NPR and PBS audiences were by far the best informed.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/art...02&lb=brusc

So let's get the facts straight. We invaded a foreign country with our military and overthrew its government. Since then, our military has continued to occupy the country, which has yet to be stabilized. For years, this has been called the war in Iraq, which was supposedly part of a war on terror. But now that you have another agenda, all the facts get changed and the law gets turned upside down so you can talk out of the other side of your big, fat, ignorant mouth - which is how we got into the Iraq war in the first place. All a country would have to do to avoid the Geneva Convention is wage a war without declaring one. This is same lying as went on under LBJ during the VietNam war, which was also never formally declared. The fact that the war was never declared didn't prevent us from prosecuting the soldiers who perpetrated the My Lai massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre International law isn't governed by whether the US Congress formally declares war.

What you've proved is that you're willing to bend, twist and break and ignore the truth to suit your ends, and that you don't give a damn about the truth, reality or human rights. You're 2stupid2understand that if we violate international law, our own violations will eventually come back to haunt us and you're too immoral to care whether your country does what is right. The nations of the world know hypocrisy when they see it. You may get away with it among your fellow uninformed parrots and ditto-heads but you're not going to convince the world that we didn't violate the law.

This summarizes it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctlmholr45c

[Guest keith]

So in order to justify torture, you have to claim that we're not at war. This claim is completely contrary to Mr. Bush's entire presidency. On February 7, 2004, he said explicitly "I'm a war president." He called the invasion of Iraq a "war of necessity."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...MNGOF4RUT31.DTL

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/24/opinion/24krugman.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Apr16.html

Your favorite "news" organization has referred repeatedly to the war in Iraq, along with all your favorite commentators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79630,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100da...-war-activists/

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/05/25/tipsy_..._falsehoods.php

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/09/30/fox_ne...oveonorg_ad.php

http://www.theamericancause.org/johnseanhannity.htm

http://mediamatters.org/research/200702020017

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298999,00.html

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&...e3-d94c7b615492

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGAibec9JsA...feature=related

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=938921

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/...as_b_33209.html

You and your fellow ignoramuses were constantly berating everyone who didn't agree with Bush because we were at war, according to you. By the way, misperceptions about the war were highest among Fox viewers. NPR and PBS audiences were by far the best informed.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/art...02&lb=brusc

So let's get the facts straight. We invaded a foreign country with our military and overthrew its government. Since then, our military has continued to occupy the country, which has yet to be stabilized. For years, this has been called the war in Iraq, which was supposedly part of a war on terror. But now that you have another agenda, all the facts get changed and the law gets turned upside down so you can talk out of the other side of your big, fat, ignorant mouth - which is how we got into the Iraq war in the first place. All a country would have to do to avoid the Geneva Convention is wage a war without declaring one. This is same lying as went on under LBJ during the VietNam war, which was also never formally declared. The fact that the war was never declared didn't prevent us from prosecuting the soldiers who perpetrated the My Lai massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre International law isn't governed by whether the US Congress formally declares war.

What you've proved is that you're willing to bend, twist and break and ignore the truth to suit your ends, and that you don't give a damn about the truth, reality or human rights. You're 2stupid2understand that if we violate international law, our own violations will eventually come back to haunt us and you're too immoral to care whether your country does what is right. The nations of the world know hypocrisy when they see it. You may get away with it among your fellow uninformed parrots and ditto-heads but you're not going to convince the world that we didn't violate the law.

This summarizes it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctlmholr45c

Bravo!!! Bravo!!! Excellent post!

[Guest Guest]

Bravo!!! Bravo!!! Excellent post!

2Dumb2Live will be crying FOUL! FACTS have been used !

NO FAIR!

[Guest 2smart4u]

So in order to justify torture, you have to claim that we're not at war. This claim is completely contrary to Mr. Bush's entire presidency. On February 7, 2004, he said explicitly "I'm a war president." He called the invasion of Iraq a "war of necessity."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...MNGOF4RUT31.DTL

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/24/opinion/24krugman.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Apr16.html

Your favorite "news" organization has referred repeatedly to the war in Iraq, along with all your favorite commentators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79630,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100da...-war-activists/

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/05/25/tipsy_..._falsehoods.php

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/09/30/fox_ne...oveonorg_ad.php

http://www.theamericancause.org/johnseanhannity.htm

http://mediamatters.org/research/200702020017

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298999,00.html

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&...e3-d94c7b615492

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGAibec9JsA...feature=related

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=938921

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/...as_b_33209.html

You and your fellow ignoramuses were constantly berating everyone who didn't agree with Bush because we were at war, according to you. By the way, misperceptions about the war were highest among Fox viewers. NPR and PBS audiences were by far the best informed.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/art...02&lb=brusc

So let's get the facts straight. We invaded a foreign country with our military and overthrew its government. Since then, our military has continued to occupy the country, which has yet to be stabilized. For years, this has been called the war in Iraq, which was supposedly part of a war on terror. But now that you have another agenda, all the facts get changed and the law gets turned upside down so you can talk out of the other side of your big, fat, ignorant mouth - which is how we got into the Iraq war in the first place. All a country would have to do to avoid the Geneva Convention is wage a war without declaring one. This is same lying as went on under LBJ during the VietNam war, which was also never formally declared. The fact that the war was never declared didn't prevent us from prosecuting the soldiers who perpetrated the My Lai massacre. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre International law isn't governed by whether the US Congress formally declares war.

What you've proved is that you're willing to bend, twist and break and ignore the truth to suit your ends, and that you don't give a damn about the truth, reality or human rights. You're 2stupid2understand that if we violate international law, our own violations will eventually come back to haunt us and you're too immoral to care whether your country does what is right. The nations of the world know hypocrisy when they see it. You may get away with it among your fellow uninformed parrots and ditto-heads but you're not going to convince the world that we didn't violate the law.

This summarizes it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctlmholr45c

Just because loony left girleymen think waterboarding is torture doesn't make it so. VMI freshmen have been waterboarded for years, our own military have waterboarded each other just to experience it.

All your whining won't change anything. Bush was a great president for protecting us against terrorists and waterboarding was part of his stratagy to protect us. When you go to sleep at night, you should say a prayer thanking God for George Bush.

[Guest keith]

Just because loony left girleymen think waterboarding is torture doesn't make it so. VMI freshmen have been waterboarded for years, our own military have waterboarded each other just to experience it.

All your whining won't change anything. Bush was a great president for protecting us against terrorists and waterboarding was part of his stratagy to protect us. When you go to sleep at night, you should say a prayer thanking God for George Bush.

First of all you still don't know how to spell "girlymen". Secondly, are you willing to be waterboarded to prove your point? 6 times a day for a month?

You seem happy that the terrorists have turned us in to a quivering mass of reactionaries who now resort to the same tactics that we ourselves have prosectued other people for. Other people who had convinced themselves that thier actions were justifiable.

Congratulations 2dumb4words, because of those who think like you the terrorists have won.

[Guest God]

Just because loony left girleymen think waterboarding is torture doesn't make it so. VMI freshmen have been waterboarded for years, our own military have waterboarded each other just to experience it.

All your whining won't change anything. Bush was a great president for protecting us against terrorists and waterboarding was part of his stratagy to protect us. When you go to sleep at night, you should say a prayer thanking God for George Bush.

HOW many times do I have to tell you poor examples of my work to NOT associate me with that stupid little pissant cowboy? There WILL be HELL to pay over this!

And BTW, since you're obviously attempting to prove your parrot-like stupidity with "looney left" and "girleymen" whining why not go for the TriFecta of A-Holes and throw in "Kool-Aid" too?

[Guest Guest]

Just because loony left girleymen think waterboarding is torture doesn't make it so. VMI freshmen have been waterboarded for years, our own military have waterboarded each other just to experience it.

All your whining won't change anything. Bush was a great president for protecting us against terrorists and waterboarding was part of his stratagy to protect us. When you go to sleep at night, you should say a prayer thanking God for George Bush.

IF Bush had protected us from terrorists there's still be 2 rather tall towers standing at the souhthern end of Manhattan you stupid little twit. Go peddle your pissant little cowboy worship to the Iraqui scum bleeding the US for every ill gotten $ they can, they love him too.

[Guest Guest]

IF Bush had protected us from terrorists there's still be 2 rather tall towers standing at the souhthern end of Manhattan you stupid little twit. Go peddle your pissant little cowboy worship to the Iraqui scum bleeding the US for every ill gotten $ they can, they love him too.

More accurately, if Clinton had kept his eye on the ball instead of on Monica's ass and if he hadn't prevented the FBI and CIA from talking to each other we might have uncovered the plot long before Bush took office.

[Guest Guest]

More accurately, if Clinton had kept his eye on the ball instead of on Monica's ass and if he hadn't prevented the FBI and CIA from talking to each other we might have uncovered the plot long before Bush took office.

MORE accurately, if that silly little pissant cowboy had paid attention to the FBI warnings rather than pursuing his own little personal vendetta against a country that had NOTHING to do with plotting against the US he might have protected the US from attack, which SHOULD be the POTUS's #1 priority.

And it wasn't Monica's ass he had his eye on nitwit.

[Guest Keith]

More accurately, if Clinton had kept his eye on the ball instead of on Monica's ass and if he hadn't prevented the FBI and CIA from talking to each other we might have uncovered the plot long before Bush took office.

Well, let's not forget Ken Stars perverted fascination with this affair. He tied up valuable FBI resources to sniff out Bill's BJ. Resources we now know could have been put to better use.

[Guest Guest]

MORE accurately, if that silly little pissant cowboy had paid attention to the FBI warnings rather than pursuing his own little personal vendetta against a country that had NOTHING to do with plotting against the US he might have protected the US from attack, which SHOULD be the POTUS's #1 priority.

And it wasn't Monica's ass he had his eye on nitwit.

Did you actually read what you posted? What nonsense.

[Guest Guest]

Did you actually read what you posted? What nonsense.

Have problems facing reality do ya?

[Guest Guest]

Did you actually read what you posted? What nonsense.

Have you ever actually looked around and paid attention to what goes on in the world?

It's FACT that Bush failed to protect us on 9/11

It's FACT that Bush was behind the invasion/occupation of a country having NOTHING to do with 9/11

If you ever picked your head up off the bar you might learn something.