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I'm still waiting for ANY defeatocratic member of congress to acknowledge

the amazing turn around in Iraq. All violence is way down. Good news for the

U.S., right ?? I'm not so sure, the defeatocrats are strangly silent, Pelosi hasn't

uttered one word, not one encouraging word to our troops. Could it be that a

member of congress of the United States is unhappy with less violence, fewer

american deaths ?? Hard to believe, but sometime the truth is stranger than

fiction.

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I'm still waiting for ANY defeatocratic member of congress to acknowledge

  the amazing turn around in Iraq.  All violence is way down.  Good news for the

  U.S., right ??  I'm not so sure, the defeatocrats are strangly silent, Pelosi hasn't

  uttered one word, not one encouraging word to our troops. Could it be that a

  member of congress of the United States is unhappy with less violence, fewer

  american deaths ??  Hard to believe, but sometime the truth is stranger than

  fiction.

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I'm still waiting to hear how any of this has benefitted the US or will nbenefit the US. Lowering violence created by US invasion/ocupation is no great feat. Praise the troops for doing a difficult job well, praising this misleading, incompetent administration would be like praising a firegighter for extinguishing a fire that he himself lit.

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I'm still waiting for ANY defeatocratic member of congress to acknowledge

  the amazing turn around in Iraq.

The only thing amazing about reducing the violence one initially caused is that you think it's something to be proud of.

All violence is way down.

Another 37 US soldiers dead last month. (source: http://icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx)

Good news for the

  U.S., right ??

Not good news for the 3,882 (as of this writing) US soldiers who didn't need to die, scumbag.

I'm not so sure, the defeatocrats are strangly silent, Pelosi hasn't

  uttered one word, not one encouraging word to our troops. Could it be that a

  member of congress of the United States is unhappy with less violence, fewer

  american deaths ??

There would have been fewer American deaths had we not invaded Iraq, stupid. Go ahead, tell me 3,882 dead soldiers is worth it so you can feel good about them dying at a lesser rate.

Hard to believe, but sometime the truth is stranger than

  fiction.

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You wouldn't know.

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I'm still waiting for ANY defeatocratic member of congress to acknowledge

  the amazing turn around in Iraq.  All violence is way down.  Good news for the

  U.S., right ??  I'm not so sure, the defeatocrats are strangly silent, Pelosi hasn't

  uttered one word, not one encouraging word to our troops. Could it be that a

  member of congress of the United States is unhappy with less violence, fewer

  american deaths ??  Hard to believe, but sometime the truth is stranger than

  fiction.

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Fine, great. Time to to bring'em home.

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I'm still waiting for ANY defeatocratic member of congress to acknowledge

  the amazing turn around in Iraq.  All violence is way down.  Good news for the

  U.S., right ??  I'm not so sure, the defeatocrats are strangly silent, Pelosi hasn't

  uttered one word, not one encouraging word to our troops. Could it be that a

  member of congress of the United States is unhappy with less violence, fewer

  american deaths ??  Hard to believe, but sometime the truth is stranger than

  fiction.

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In one sense, you'll be waiting a long time because they're not defeatocrats. That moniker is just your ignorance talking. They're being honest about what's going on.

In another sense, the Democrats have acknowledged that violence is down since the "surge" and said that the surge made it happen. What you keep ignoring, however, is the other issue, which is that the remaining solutions aren't military. They're cultural, and no amount of US military presence in Iraq is going to change Iraqi culture. Just the opposite, it makes the situation worse. That would make sense even to you if you weren't hell-bent on supporting Mr. Bush's war. Get it?

Of course you don't.

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I'm still waiting for ANY defeatocratic member of congress to acknowledge

  the amazing turn around in Iraq.  All violence is way down.  Good news for the

  U.S., right ??  I'm not so sure, the defeatocrats are strangly silent, Pelosi hasn't

  uttered one word, not one encouraging word to our troops. Could it be that a

  member of congress of the United States is unhappy with less violence, fewer

  american deaths ??  Hard to believe, but sometime the truth is stranger than

  fiction.

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Murtha has repsonded. Any reduction in violence is great without a doubt but don't think for a moment that it erases everything up to now. I still say they are just lulling us into a false sense of security and waiting to catch us by surprise. I hope I'm wrong. But I doubt it.

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I'm still waiting for ANY defeatocratic member of congress to acknowledge

the amazing turn around in Iraq. All violence is way down. Good news for the

U.S., right ?? I'm not so sure, the defeatocrats are strangly silent, Pelosi hasn't

uttered one word, not one encouraging word to our troops. Could it be that a

member of congress of the United States is unhappy with less violence, fewer

american deaths ?? Hard to believe, but sometime the truth is stranger than

fiction.

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In one sense, you'll be waiting a long time because they're not defeatocrats. That moniker is just your ignorance talking. They're being honest about what's going on.

In another sense, the Democrats have acknowledged that violence is down since the "surge" and said that the surge made it happen. What you keep ignoring, however, is the other issue, which is that the remaining solutions aren't military. They're cultural, and no amount of US military presence in Iraq is going to change Iraqi culture. Just the opposite, it makes the situation worse. That would make sense even to you if you weren't hell-bent on supporting Mr. Bush's war. Get it?

Of course you don't.

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"the remaining solutions aren't military, they're cultural" ??? And you KNOW

this to be factual. Did a Loony Left blogger tell you that or was it something

you dreamed while doing the Kool-aid.

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"the remaining solutions aren't military, they're cultural" ???  And you KNOW

  this to be factual. Did a Loony Left blogger tell you that or was it something

  you dreamed while doing the Kool-aid.

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We know it by definition. What remains now is to put together a democratic government and hold it together. That's not the way these countries have done these things. We're talking about centuries of culture to work past. That's a cultural problem.

You're not very smart, are you.

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Yes, idiot. Establishing a democracy is not a military operation.

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It took a military operation to establish the United States Of America ! That, was back in 1776 if your want to look it up.

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We know it by definition. What remains now is to put together a democratic government and hold it together. That's not the way these countries have done these things. We're talking about centuries of culture to work past. That's a cultural problem.

You're not very smart, are you.

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Four questions:

Did you decide all by yourself what Iraq's cultural needs were ??

Have you advised the Iraqi government of your conclusions ??

Have you advised GWB so he can start an immediate troop withdrawal ??

Why aren't you on the president's advisory staff.

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Murtha has repsonded. Any reduction in violence is great without a doubt but don't think for a moment that it erases everything up to now. I still say they are just lulling us into a false sense of security and waiting to catch us by surprise. I hope I'm wrong. But I doubt it.

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Murtha has made a brief comment about the reduction in hostilities.

However Nancy Pelosi the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE has yet to utter one word

congratulating our troops or at least acknowledging what our troops have

accomplished. Great american, that Nancy. (But then again, she's a defeatocrat)

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"the remaining solutions aren't military, they're cultural" ???  And you KNOW

  this to be factual. Did a Loony Left blogger tell you that or was it something

  you dreamed while doing the Kool-aid.

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Actually, I wouldn't call their differences cultural, but perhaps secular would be a better word.

As far as the surge, it has had success but the surge had two purposes. 1 was to clean out Baghdad and other areas where there was resistance and for the most part we've done that. But number 2 was to allow for the Iraqi Government to be able to reconcile their differences. This hasn't been accomplished and it doesn't appear that it ever will as long as Maliki is in Office. And, part of the reason the surge has been successful is that part of Baghdad has been walled off keeping the Sunnis away from the Shiites. General Patreaus has testified before both the Congessional and Senate Sub Committees along with many others that there is no military solution to ending the violence. The Iraqis have to reach that conclusion and as long as we're there they won't. They have only achieved three of the eighteen benchmarks that the US requested and cannot even get their leaders to meet as a whole group.

Senator Biden has come up with a solution that even Lindsey Graham is for the most part in agreement. Divide Iraq into three separate regions, and let them share the oil wealth equally. It may not be the best plan, but at-least some in Washington are seeing the value in it both Democrats and Republicans.

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It took a military operation to establish the United States Of America !

The Constitution was not written on the battlefield. Fighting to establish our independence was but the FIRST step, not the only one. In the same way, we're DONE with the military part of this 'plan' (as ill-conceived as it is to begin with). Even if we had enough troops to quell ALL sectarian violence in Iraq, guess what? Democracy will not magically establish itself following that. The Iraqis have to come together (NOT on a battlefield) and cooperate in a way completely unrelated to military prowess or conflict for that to happen. And they're clearly not cooperating.

What's the point? It's their country, not ours. If THEY will not do their part, no amount of action on ours is going to have any ultimate or lasting effect.

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It took a military operation to establish the United States Of America ! That, was back in 1776 if your want to look it up.

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The military operation of 1776 is called a revolution. The colonists were establishing self-rule on their own land. Comparing that to the US invading and occupying Iraq, and trying to tell the Iraqis how to govern themselves in Iraq is just plain stupid.

So because you're not too smart, let me make it clear for you.

1776: Americans fighting for their own freedom on their own land

Invasion and occupation of Iraq: Bush going onto Iraqi land, trying to force Iraqis how to govern themselves.

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It took a military operation to establish the United States Of America ! That, was back in 1776 if your want to look it up.

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And just how much good would that military operation have done if not for a leadership with the vision and drive to create a democracy, and a populace that was unified in its support for that vision rather than being divided against itself?

Dynamite is a powerful tool that, when used intelligently and benevolently, can do very constructive and beneficial work. But it does not logically follow that you can just indiscriminately throw it at every problem and expect the results to be positive.

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The Constitution was not written on the battlefield. Fighting to establish our independence was but the FIRST step, not the only one. In the same way, we're DONE with the military part of this 'plan' (as ill-conceived as it is to begin with). Even if we had enough troops to quell ALL sectarian violence in Iraq, guess what? Democracy will not magically establish itself following that. The Iraqis have to come together (NOT on a battlefield) and cooperate in a way completely unrelated to military prowess or conflict for that to happen. And they're clearly not cooperating.

What's the point? It's their country, not ours. If THEY will not do their part, no amount of action on ours is going to have any ultimate or lasting effect.

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Once AGAIN, Strife bloviates on a subject that he has no knowledge of. Must be

the Kool-aid again.

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Once AGAIN, Strife bloviates on a subject that he has no knowledge of. Must be

  the Kool-aid again.

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Maybe could grace the forum with your list of qualifications. Please, by all means tell us what makes you an expert.

I'll start you off:

FOX news.

Ok, your turn.

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Once AGAIN, Strife bloviates on a subject that he has no knowledge of. Must be

  the Kool-aid again.

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Or he's trying to emulate you, a difficult task No One on this board shows themselves to be as full of crap as YOU!

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