Autonomous Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Here's a story detailing how the military is telling soldiers who couldn't fulfill their obligation because they were injured while at war to return their sign-on bonuses! http://kdka.com/local/military.signing.bonuses.2.571660.html Now, I know the military is worried about spending cuts, but this is ridiculous. How about letting the military shop at Wal-Mart online instead of buying $70 hammers (which are pieces of crap, btw) instead of taking money from injured vets. Regardless of party loyalty, this is despicable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted November 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 There's a bill proposed to stop this: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-3793 Here's an interesting factoid-the bill's co-sponsors: (sponsor is Rep. Jason Altmire [D-PA]) Rep. Shelley Berkley [D-NV] Rep. Robert Berry [D-AR] Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU] Rep. Nancy Boyda [D-KS] Rep. Robert Brady [D-PA] Rep. Bruce Braley [D-IA] Rep. Corrine Brown [D-FL] Rep. Christopher Carney [D-PA] Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA] Rep. Joe Donnelly [D-IN] Rep. Michael Doyle [D-PA] Rep. Brad Ellsworth [D-IN] Rep. Barton Gordon [D-TN] Rep. Phil Hare [D-IL] Rep. Tim Holden [D-PA] Rep. Darlene Hooley [D-OR] Rep. Henry Johnson [D-GA] Rep. Walter Jones [R-NC] Rep. Patrick Kennedy [D-RI] Rep. Harry Mitchell [D-AZ] Rep. Patrick Murphy [D-PA] Rep. Donald Payne [D-NJ] Rep. Jon Porter [R-NV] Rep. John Sarbanes [D-MD] Rep. Carol Shea-Porter [D-NH] Rep. Heath Shuler [D-NC] Rep. Clifford Stearns [R-FL] Rep. Bart Stupak [D-MI] Rep. Betty Sutton [D-OH] Rep. Ellen Tauscher [D-CA] Rep. Edolphus Towns [D-NY] Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN] Rep. Zach Wamp [R-TN] Rep. David Wu [D-OR] Rep. John Yarmuth [D-KY] Dems 31(including sponsor), Repubs 5. Hmm.....way to support the troops, guys. If you congresscritters aren't signed on, contact them. Here's how: Representative: http://www.house.gov/writerep Senator: http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm UPDATE: The VA claims it is a mistake, they will issue a new invoice to the vet but will not disclose how many others have been sent similar letters and may have actually paid them. The VA does insist, however, to refuse paying any more of his bonuses or leave pay. Rep Atmire who tabled a bill in Congress to guarantee such payments for wounded soldiers says while he is heartened that the VA have reconsidered in this one case, he will persist with his bill to ensure it never happens again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strife767 Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 There's a bill proposed to stop this:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-3793 Here's an interesting factoid-the bill's co-sponsors: (sponsor is Rep. Jason Altmire [D-PA]) Rep. Shelley Berkley [D-NV] Rep. Robert Berry [D-AR] Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU] Rep. Nancy Boyda [D-KS] Rep. Robert Brady [D-PA] Rep. Bruce Braley [D-IA] Rep. Corrine Brown [D-FL] Rep. Christopher Carney [D-PA] Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA] Rep. Joe Donnelly [D-IN] Rep. Michael Doyle [D-PA] Rep. Brad Ellsworth [D-IN] Rep. Barton Gordon [D-TN] Rep. Phil Hare [D-IL] Rep. Tim Holden [D-PA] Rep. Darlene Hooley [D-OR] Rep. Henry Johnson [D-GA] Rep. Walter Jones [R-NC] Rep. Patrick Kennedy [D-RI] Rep. Harry Mitchell [D-AZ] Rep. Patrick Murphy [D-PA] Rep. Donald Payne [D-NJ] Rep. Jon Porter [R-NV] Rep. John Sarbanes [D-MD] Rep. Carol Shea-Porter [D-NH] Rep. Heath Shuler [D-NC] Rep. Clifford Stearns [R-FL] Rep. Bart Stupak [D-MI] Rep. Betty Sutton [D-OH] Rep. Ellen Tauscher [D-CA] Rep. Edolphus Towns [D-NY] Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN] Rep. Zach Wamp [R-TN] Rep. David Wu [D-OR] Rep. John Yarmuth [D-KY] Dems 31(including sponsor), Repubs 5. Hmm.....way to support the troops, guys. Ugh, seriously. You'd think something like this would have lots from both sides backing it up, but that is quite the difference--six times more Democrats co-sponsoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I see that almost all who are supporting the troops are Democrats. It is best to pass a law preventing this. A law, unlike an administrative order, can't be changed at the whim of the administration. Now that this has become known to the general public, the administration claims that this is an oversight, a regrettable mistake, which is being corrected. But really, it was not an oversight or regrettable mistake. It was policy. Many soldiers were forced to return their sign up bonuses and when they complained they were told they to stuff it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keith-Marshall,Mo Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 There's a bill proposed to stop this:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-3793 Here's an interesting factoid-the bill's co-sponsors: (sponsor is Rep. Jason Altmire [D-PA]) Rep. Shelley Berkley [D-NV] Rep. Robert Berry [D-AR] Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU] Rep. Nancy Boyda [D-KS] Rep. Robert Brady [D-PA] Rep. Bruce Braley [D-IA] Rep. Corrine Brown [D-FL] Rep. Christopher Carney [D-PA] Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA] Rep. Joe Donnelly [D-IN] Rep. Michael Doyle [D-PA] Rep. Brad Ellsworth [D-IN] Rep. Barton Gordon [D-TN] Rep. Phil Hare [D-IL] Rep. Tim Holden [D-PA] Rep. Darlene Hooley [D-OR] Rep. Henry Johnson [D-GA] Rep. Walter Jones [R-NC] Rep. Patrick Kennedy [D-RI] Rep. Harry Mitchell [D-AZ] Rep. Patrick Murphy [D-PA] Rep. Donald Payne [D-NJ] Rep. Jon Porter [R-NV] Rep. John Sarbanes [D-MD] Rep. Carol Shea-Porter [D-NH] Rep. Heath Shuler [D-NC] Rep. Clifford Stearns [R-FL] Rep. Bart Stupak [D-MI] Rep. Betty Sutton [D-OH] Rep. Ellen Tauscher [D-CA] Rep. Edolphus Towns [D-NY] Rep. Timothy Walz [D-MN] Rep. Zach Wamp [R-TN] Rep. David Wu [D-OR] Rep. John Yarmuth [D-KY] Dems 31(including sponsor), Repubs 5. Hmm.....way to support the troops, guys. If you congresscritters aren't signed on, contact them. Here's how: Representative: http://www.house.gov/writerep Senator: http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm UPDATE: The VA claims it is a mistake, they will issue a new invoice to the vet but will not disclose how many others have been sent similar letters and may have actually paid them. The VA does insist, however, to refuse paying any more of his bonuses or leave pay. Rep Atmire who tabled a bill in Congress to guarantee such payments for wounded soldiers says while he is heartened that the VA have reconsidered in this one case, he will persist with his bill to ensure it never happens again. 74767[/snapback] Since this became public, the pentegon is backpeddling saying it was all a big mistake. Yeah, no sh#t! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Isn't that the same Democratic Congress that won't appropriate money for the troops at all unless the President lets them be backseat drivers to his role as commander in chief? This is great. A bill that requires the military to make payments while the same folks keep money from the military with which to make the payments unless they are given power to direct military strategy. Politics as usual. They care about the votes more than the troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2smart4u Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Isn't that the same Democratic Congress that won't appropriate money for the troops at all unless the President lets them be backseat drivers to his role as commander in chief?This is great. A bill that requires the military to make payments while the same folks keep money from the military with which to make the payments unless they are given power to direct military strategy. Politics as usual. They care about the votes more than the troops. 74871[/snapback] The troops are being used as pawns by the defeatocrats to push through a defense bill loaded with liberal pork. This defeatocratic congress has an approval rating down to about 20 %. The voters will remember this next year, the Ice Queen will pay the piper for dishonoring our military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Isn't that the same Democratic Congress that won't appropriate money for the troops at all unless the President lets them be backseat drivers to his role as commander in chief?This is great. A bill that requires the military to make payments while the same folks keep money from the military with which to make the payments unless they are given power to direct military strategy. Politics as usual. They care about the votes more than the troops. 74871[/snapback] In other words, even when the Democrats do something commendable you still condemn them. Now that's politics as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strife767 Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Isn't that the same Democratic Congress that Forget your cowardly evasion: should soldiers wounded during their tours have to give back their sign-on bonuses? Yes or no? Are you capable of giving a straight answer to this question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 The troops are being used as pawns by the defeatocrats to push through a  defense bill loaded with liberal pork. This defeatocratic congress has an approval  rating down to about 20 %. The voters will remember this next year, the Ice  Queen will pay the piper for dishonoring our military. 75028[/snapback] The troops are being used by a lying, misleading, incompetent CinC. Why aren't you whining about that A**HOLE? Too much FOOL-Aid in your belly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted November 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 The troops are being used as pawns by the defeatocrats to push through a  defense bill loaded with liberal pork. This defeatocratic congress has an approval  rating down to about 20 %. The voters will remember this next year, the Ice  Queen will pay the piper for dishonoring our military. 75028[/snapback] The fact that you didn't mind the Republican pork makes you a hypocrite. Now personally I don't like pork spending no matter who is doing it, which is why I like the current situation-neither party can get their pork through. The congress has a low rating among Democratic voters not because of that, but because the Democrats are seen as caving in to whatever Bush wants. The Democrats want someone to stand up to him (I wouldn't mind that either) and so far their elected officials have failed to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strife767 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 The troops are being used as pawns by the defeatocrats It's not because of any democrat that nearly 4,000 of our men and women perished in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Keith-Marshall,Mo Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 The troops are being used as pawns by the defeatocrats to push through a  defense bill loaded with liberal pork. This defeatocratic congress has an approval  rating down to about 20 %. The voters will remember this next year, the Ice  Queen will pay the piper for dishonoring our military. 75028[/snapback] Yep, pork is the SOLE DOMAIN of the liberals. As far as dishonoring the military I think you can lay that claim right at King George's door step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bryan's Evil Twin Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Isn't that the same Democratic Congress that won't appropriate money for the troops at all unless the President lets them be backseat drivers to his role as commander in chief?This is great. A bill that requires the military to make payments while the same folks keep money from the military with which to make the payments unless they are given power to direct military strategy. Politics as usual. They care about the votes more than the troops. 74871[/snapback] Could you be more of a dick? Were you born that way or do you have to work at it? Maybe we need "backseat drivers" in this situation because GW is asleep at the wheel. Maybe if we backed off of throwing money at private contractors the miltary would have the money to pay for thier committments and GW would'nt be cryin' for $50 Billion (yes, Billion with a every other freakin' month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2smart4u Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Could you be more of a dick? Were you born that way or do you have to work at it? Maybe we need "backseat drivers" in this situation because GW is asleep at the wheel. Maybe if we backed off of throwing money at private contractors the miltary would have the money to pay for thier committments and GW would'nt be cryin' for $50 Billion (yes, Billion with a every other freakin' month. 75289[/snapback] Kool-aid alert !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Could you be more of a dick? Wait, I know you. You're "Guest," aren't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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