Guest InTheKnow Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Amazing how the Mayor and council can re-hire the Administrator before his contract is up and right before the election. Heck of a move now it guarantees he will get at least 390 Thousand Dollars +, even if there are changes after the election. Still we should be entitled to know how much this administrator "saves" this town versus how much he actually "costs ", but that never seems to be approached, the town. Especially in the way he handles the unions, the heads of departments and workers in general. he is lining the lawyers pockets real good by his judgements. I know he is a nice buffer to the mayor and council but soon enough they will all have to be held acountable. By then it may be too late They will have given evrything Away to outside contractors. and elevated taxes high enough that most will leave and new will not come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest what do you say council Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Well lets hear what the council has to say. Mr Mangin, LACP, CJD, others! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leadbeater Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 They won't answer you simply because it is TRUE. I went to the meeting Tuesday night and asked that they at least wait until after the election because there is a chance I could win and then I would be stuck with HIM. Mayor Santos snickered and said that if I could get 6 votes then I could terminate him. How much would that cost? $300,000.00. Great move!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spirit of Chantilly Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Well John, look on the bright side. If it had been one of Al's minions, you would have had to see if Al's mouth moved as they spoke. He appears to be a master of that trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Just how much is D'Arco's salary and what are his perks. Anyone know? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G.R.I.P Time for real Change Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Well seems that Maybe Mister Mangin can answer that , Guess Mr Mangin Voted to increase his salary and renew his contract. Mr Mangin will you answer. *G.R.I.P. you know what it stands for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Diggs Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 G.R.I.P.???? what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spirit of Chantilly Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Get Rid of Incumbent Politicians GRIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Unklesam Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Getting Really Into Politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LACP Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 The vote on Mr. D'Arco's contract was unanimous. Why is it that responses are only requested from Carol, Jim and myself? FYI, D'Arco's new contract was presented with reasonable requests for changes. Even though, several of those requests were denied by the Council. After having researched the contracts of Administrators of other towns that share similarities in population, size, and economics etc. with Kearny, it was deemed that Mr. D'Arco's contract is, in fact, average, compared to most others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Insanity Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 So comparisons to other towns is credible research for a town administrator, but not for a shift change for the KFD. Say it ain't so. AND, a shift change that saves the town money. Not to mention the taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 The vote on Mr. D'Arco's contract was unanimous. Why is it that responses are only requested from Carol, Jim and myself? FYI, D'Arco's new contract was presented with reasonable requests for changes. Even though, several of those requests were denied by the Council. After having researched the contracts of Administrators of other towns that share similarities in population, size, and economics etc. with Kearny, it was deemed that Mr. D'Arco's contract is, in fact, average, compared to most others. What give backs were included? I don't think any! Looks like the KFD alone are the only one's that give backs were demanded of. Don't the council think they could have been as fair to the KFD as they were with everyone else? The council could have stepped in and given the 24 hr,. shifts with a reasonible raise 2 yrsa. ago & saved loads of $ on litagation but they didn't. You left it in the hands of the great negociator's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mangin Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Well seems that Maybe Mister Mangin can answer that , Guess Mr Mangin Voted to increase his salary and renew his contract. Mr Mangin will you answer. *G.R.I.P. you know what it stands for. Sure, I'll be happy to answer. The Business Administrator's salary is approximately $130,000. His new contract calls for the same salary increases as for other managerial employees, which is a 3.8% increase for this year. His health benefits, vacation pay, holiday pay and personal holidays are all consistent with the Dept. Heads union. Why did I vote for it? Because I believe he does his job well. Remember, his job is to run the business of Kearny government according to the direction he receives from the Mayor and Council. Two years ago there was an extremely good working relationship between this administration and the Town unions (PBA, FMBA, CS11). What changed? I don't believe D'Arco changed, I believe the direction he receives changed. That direction he receives from the Mayor, who I also believe has changed. Councilman Jim Mangin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Well seems that Maybe Mister Mangin can answer that , Guess Mr Mangin Voted to increase his salary and renew his contract. Mr Mangin will you answer. *G.R.I.P. you know what it stands for. Sure, I'll be happy to answer. The Business Administrator's salary is approximately $130,000. His new contract calls for the same salary increases as for other managerial employees, which is a 3.8% increase for this year. His health benefits, vacation pay, holiday pay and personal holidays are all consistent with the Dept. Heads union. Why did I vote for it? Because I believe he does his job well. Remember, his job is to run the business of Kearny government according to the direction he receives from the Mayor and Council. Two years ago there was an extremely good working relationship between this administration and the Town unions (PBA, FMBA, CS11). What changed? I don't believe D'Arco changed, I believe the direction he receives changed. That direction he receives from the Mayor, who I also believe has changed. Councilman Jim Mangin Jim, I know what you are saying Darco gets his marching orders from the mayor. What I don;t understand is why just the mayor? There are 9 people sitting he is only one and as mayor only has one vote. Very little authority given to the mayor under our form of government. So what's the problem are you saying he speaks for all 9 members and D/arco only answers to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest InTheKnow Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Jim You did not mention the EXTRA $5000.00 a year into his deferred compensation plan, or his increase in travel expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mangin Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Jim, I know what you are saying Darco gets his marching orders from the mayor. What I don;t understand is why just the mayor? There are 9 people sitting he is only one and as mayor only has one vote. Very little authority given to the mayor under our form of government. So what's the problem are you saying he speaks for all 9 members and D/arco only answers to him? I try to meet with the Business Administrator weekly on my day off. That puts me in Town Hall about 4-5 hours a week. The Mayor works a full-time equivalent. Who is going to provide more direction, him or me? You are absolutely right about our form of government. In a Town form of government the mayor is simply the councilman-at-large. The mayor has no authority unless he has at least four other votes. And he does. The Mayor will never speak for "all 9 members" of the Town Council as long as I'm sitting here. No one speaks for me. Councilman Jim Mangin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mangin Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 JimYou did not mention the EXTRA $5000.00 a year into his deferred compensation plan, or his increase in travel expenses. I forgot the original post I was answering asked about salary and perks. Yes, the Business Administrator gets an additional $5,000 annually into a deferred compensation plan and he receives an additional $375 per month to cover his automobile expenses. Councilman Jim Mangin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I Dare you, council Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Mr mangin, and council, Have you compared the fire contract to other towns in the area of the same size and blah blah blah............they ALL work 24 hours shifts and most were given the shifts to save the town/city money. And what are you doing spending money to fight it. Mayor, council and ADMINISTRATOR you should be ashamed of yourselves for lack of negotiating in good faith and the fact you are allowing members of a town department to be without a contract for over 3 and 4 years. For something that will save you money, yes a REAL savings kinda like the REAL defecit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Mangin Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Mr mangin, and council, Have you compared the fire contract to other towns in the area of the same size and blah blah blah............they ALL work 24 hours shifts and most were given the shifts to save the town/city money. And what are you doing spending money to fight it. Mayor, council and ADMINISTRATOR you should be ashamed of yourselves for lack of negotiating in good faith and the fact you are allowing members of a town department to be without a contract for over 3 and 4 years. For something that will save you money, yes a REAL savings kinda like the REAL defecit. I couldn't agree more. Councilman Jim Mangin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Preaching to the Choir Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 Mr. Mangin, Your words on this website are promising. And as one of two current council members who answer questions on this site, you should be commended. However, it seems to me that you are preaching to the choir by airing opinions here. The fight was, and remains, in the council chamber. If you truly believe in something, then it is a good fight. Open debate may not be welcome at town meetings, but from open discussion comes great ideas, and further difficult solutions. This is not to say that you haven't tried, but I know the feeling of banging your head into a brick wall (figuratively of course), it is difficult, and yet satisfying when the fight is done. Win or lose. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 The vote on Mr. D'Arco's contract was unanimous. Why is it that responses are only requested from Carol, Jim and myself? FYI, D'Arco's new contract was presented with reasonable requests for changes. Even though, several of those requests were denied by the Council. After having researched the contracts of Administrators of other towns that share similarities in population, size, and economics etc. with Kearny, it was deemed that Mr. D'Arco's contract is, in fact, average, compared to most others. What give backs were included? I don't think any! Looks like the KFD alone are the only one's that give backs were demanded of. Don't the council think they could have been as fair to the KFD as they were with everyone else? The council could have stepped in and given the 24 hr,. shifts with a reasonible raise 2 yrsa. ago & saved loads of $ on litagation but they didn't. You left it in the hands of the great negociator's. Will any council person answer the ? What GIVE BACKS ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Well seems that Maybe Mister Mangin can answer that , Guess Mr Mangin Voted to increase his salary and renew his contract. Mr Mangin will you answer. *G.R.I.P. you know what it stands for. Sure, I'll be happy to answer. The Business Administrator's salary is approximately $130,000. His new contract calls for the same salary increases as for other managerial employees, which is a 3.8% increase for this year. His health benefits, vacation pay, holiday pay and personal holidays are all consistent with the Dept. Heads union. Why did I vote for it? Because I believe he does his job well. Remember, his job is to run the business of Kearny government according to the direction he receives from the Mayor and Council. Two years ago there was an extremely good working relationship between this administration and the Town unions (PBA, FMBA, CS11). What changed? I don't believe D'Arco changed, I believe the direction he receives changed. That direction he receives from the Mayor, who I also believe has changed. Councilman Jim Mangin All the town unions got that same raise. Not the KFD though!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JFKennedy Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 The vote on Mr. D'Arco's contract was unanimous. Why is it that responses are only requested from Carol, Jim and myself? FYI, D'Arco's new contract was presented with reasonable requests for changes. Even though, several of those requests were denied by the Council. After having researched the contracts of Administrators of other towns that share similarities in population, size, and economics etc. with Kearny, it was deemed that Mr. D'Arco's contract is, in fact, average, compared to most others. What give backs were included? I don't think any! Looks like the KFD alone are the only one's that give backs were demanded of. Don't the council think they could have been as fair to the KFD as they were with everyone else? The council could have stepped in and given the 24 hr,. shifts with a reasonible raise 2 yrsa. ago & saved loads of $ on litagation but they didn't. You left it in the hands of the great negociator's. Will any council person answer the ? What GIVE BACKS ??? Of D'arco has no Give backs, he sets the rules ..He is the TOP employee of the town ...meaning the "rest" rolls down hill. The Council doesnt speak unless he moves thier necks ..at least it seems that way. And now how can D'arco say anything about Mayor Al when the Lawyer pact has spoken and settled his contract before it is even finished...Nice Deal. Lets see how many Things D'Arco and the Council can Give Away over these next few years ... And fill All the Lawyer pockets while doing So....Wake Up people make them Accountable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 The vote on Mr. D'Arco's contract was unanimous. Why is it that responses are only requested from Carol, Jim and myself? FYI, D'Arco's new contract was presented with reasonable requests for changes. Even though, several of those requests were denied by the Council. After having researched the contracts of Administrators of other towns that share similarities in population, size, and economics etc. with Kearny, it was deemed that Mr. D'Arco's contract is, in fact, average, compared to most others. What give backs were included? I don't think any! Looks like the KFD alone are the only one's that give backs were demanded of. Don't the council think they could have been as fair to the KFD as they were with everyone else? The council could have stepped in and given the 24 hr,. shifts with a reasonible raise 2 yrsa. ago & saved loads of $ on litagation but they didn't. You left it in the hands of the great negociator's. Will any council person answer the ? What GIVE BACKS ??? Of D'arco has no Give backs, he sets the rules ..He is the TOP employee of the town ...meaning the "rest" rolls down hill. The Council doesnt speak unless he moves thier necks ..at least it seems that way. And now how can D'arco say anything about Mayor Al when the Lawyer pact has spoken and settled his contract before it is even finished...Nice Deal. Lets see how many Things D'Arco and the Council can Give Away over these next few years ... And fill All the Lawyer pockets while doing So....Wake Up people make them Accountable So he only got raises in his contract? Is this true Mr. Mangin? The man who is crying about the towns financial status just took & took & took! Is this true Mr. Mangin? The man who is demanding givebacks from the FD (only!) gave nothing back to this town! I'm not picking on you Mr. Mangin it's just that your the only one who has the b-lls to answer ?'s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 Well seems that Maybe Mister Mangin can answer that , Guess Mr Mangin Voted to increase his salary and renew his contract. Mr Mangin will you answer. *G.R.I.P. you know what it stands for. Sure, I'll be happy to answer. The Business Administrator's salary is approximately $130,000. His new contract calls for the same salary increases as for other managerial employees, which is a 3.8% increase for this year. His health benefits, vacation pay, holiday pay and personal holidays are all consistent with the Dept. Heads union. Why did I vote for it? Because I believe he does his job well. Remember, his job is to run the business of Kearny government according to the direction he receives from the Mayor and Council. Two years ago there was an extremely good working relationship between this administration and the Town unions (PBA, FMBA, CS11). What changed? I don't believe D'Arco changed, I believe the direction he receives changed. That direction he receives from the Mayor, who I also believe has changed. Councilman Jim Mangin Do you believe the members of the FD do thier job well? If your answer is yes how come thier contracts expired 2 & 3 yrs. ago? They tried to negociate a new contract starting 6 months before expiration of thier last contract. Why has no council member tried to help with this debacle? I guess everyone of you was to busy being impressed by how well the BA was doing his job. This makes me sick!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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