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Jim,
I went to www.elec.state.nj.us and you know what I found? That you're warp mode again.
Here are the facts from NJ ELEC:
Santos spent $14,743.44 on his primary race against you for Mayor in 2003. That's on Table II, Line 1 Disbursements -- Campaign Expenses." On the Santos final report for the 2003 primary, he transferred over 30,000 of unspent funds to his general election campaign. The final report also shows a variety of contributions to other candidates, community fund-raisers and noncampaign expenses of about $14,000 over a two year period. The Table II, Line 1 Disbursements -- Campaign Expenses on the final Mangin report is $34,846.59.
As to your statement that you 'didn't receive one dollar from the Hudson County Dems,' that's one amazing lie, Jim. Again from the NJ Elec reports, YOU received:
$1,000 from Hudson County Assemblyman Anthony Impreveduto (now out of office for embezzling campaign funds) and
$1,000 from Secaucus (Hudson County) Mayor Elwell and
$1,000 from North Bergen (Hudson County) Town Attorney Herb Klitzner and
$1,000 from Union City (Hudson County) Mayor Stack's campaign fund and
$1,000 from the North Hudson Regional Fire Dep't Attorney Ralph Lamparello and
$10,000 (yes ten thousand) from North Bergen Mayor Nick Sacco's North Bergen Democratic committee.
Those are just the blatant Hudson County Dems. You'd have to research some of the other donor names on the report to determine their connections to Hudson County Dems.
And you also have to research what expenses were paid by the Hudson County Democrats for the production, printing and mailing of your glossy literature. At least two of those don't turn up on your reports. Perhaps you should speak to your Treasurer (Steve Marks) as whether the limitations period is up on incomplete and inaccurate filings?
Three days have passed, and still no comment?
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Jim,
I went to www.elec.state.nj.us and you know what I found? That you're warp mode again.
Here are the facts from NJ ELEC:
Santos spent $14,743.44 on his primary race against you for Mayor in 2003. That's on Table II, Line 1 Disbursements -- Campaign Expenses." On the Santos final report for the 2003 primary, he transferred over 30,000 of unspent funds to his general election campaign. The final report also shows a variety of contributions to other candidates, community fund-raisers and noncampaign expenses of about $14,000 over a two year period. The Table II, Line 1 Disbursements -- Campaign Expenses on the final Mangin report is $34,846.59.
As to your statement that you 'didn't receive one dollar from the Hudson County Dems,' that's one amazing lie, Jim. Again from the NJ Elec reports, YOU received:
$1,000 from Hudson County Assemblyman Anthony Impreveduto (now out of office for embezzling campaign funds) and
$1,000 from Secaucus (Hudson County) Mayor Elwell and
$1,000 from North Bergen (Hudson County) Town Attorney Herb Klitzner and
$1,000 from Union City (Hudson County) Mayor Stack's campaign fund and
$1,000 from the North Hudson Regional Fire Dep't Attorney Ralph Lamparello and
$10,000 (yes ten thousand) from North Bergen Mayor Nick Sacco's North Bergen Democratic committee.
Those are just the blatant Hudson County Dems. You'd have to research some of the other donor names on the report to determine their connections to Hudson County Dems.
And you also have to research what expenses were paid by the Hudson County Democrats for the production, printing and mailing of your glossy literature. At least two of those don't turn up on your reports. Perhaps you should speak to your Treasurer (Steve Marks) as whether the limitations period is up on incomplete and inaccurate filings?
Did everyone get a chance to examine this official campaign information?
Wow, Mangin spent almost two and a half times as Santos spent and he still lost! Even at $500.00 a throw (obviously not geared to attract the average Dem), that's a lot of tickets. (And Mangin has the nerve to call someone else a "sellout".) I guess the folks who bought them thought they were going to get some return on their investment. Must have been disappointing for them, huh?
What I don't understand is why Mr. Mangin lied about where he got his funds and how much he spent; especially when it is so easy to check it out.
I'm sure there must be some explanation. Right, Jim?
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Newcomer to Hudson politics? If you only knew!
I worked on the Santos campaign. I know how much money was spent and you are not telling the truth! As to the financing of your campaign: How much were the tickets to your "fundraiser/soiree" in **** ******** law office? How many blue collar Dems were able to attend? And how is ******* connected to Nick Sacco and the other Hudson County Dems? Just because the check wasn't directly from the HCDO coffers, doesn't mean they didn't finance you. (I was born at night, but not last night.) You couldn't raise $34,000.00 on your own if your life depended on it.
Don't you get it yet? The campaign wasn't about getting you elected, it was about preventing Santos from getting elected. But it didn't work, did it? By the end of the campaign, even your own running mates weren't happy with you.
You just can't stand the idea that Hudson County used you to take its shot and you lost; but, unlike you, they admitted it, made nice, and everyone else is moving on.
I knew you wouldn't mind, so I sent a copy of your response to Bernie Kenny. He is not happy. Wouldn't be surprised if you heard from him soon.
KOTW Note: The above post was edited for content.
Jimbo,
Your reply to this post just kind of skipped over the issue of your out-of-town, pricey ticket, fundraiser held in the offices of a very prestigious law firm which has very close connections to North Bergen. I'm sure that it was an oversight. Care to address it now? (You might want to keep in mind that I have a very close connection to one of your disenchanted ex-running mates.)
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I love that Realist always has some calm and innocent reason why the Democrats are right and the Republicans are wrong.
Thank you for "feelin'" me! Love you, too!
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yea right. and you're not Al Santos.
Yeah, I'm right and nah, I'm not Al Santos!
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You want the truth. You can't handle the truth.
So, you're saying that after telling me I had the County line, Bernie Kenney met with Al Santos and Al Santos wrote a check to the HCDO for $1,500 - and these two events are not related? Are you a newcomer to Hudson County politics?
And speaking of the truth, my so-called ". . . heavily County financed team" was anything but. We didn't receive one dollar from the Hudson County Dems. And we were out-spent by Mayor Santos $59,000 to $34,000. Our money came from fund raising. His money came from emptying his Santos for Senate Campaign Account.
Not even Leo Vartan spent that much money to get elected Mayor.
Jim Mangin
Newcomer to Hudson politics? If you only knew!
I worked on the Santos campaign. I know how much money was spent and you are not telling the truth! As to the financing of your campaign: How much were the tickets to your "fundraiser/soiree" in **** ******** law office? How many blue collar Dems were able to attend? And how is ******* connected to Nick Sacco and the other Hudson County Dems? Just because the check wasn't directly from the HCDO coffers, doesn't mean they didn't finance you. (I was born at night, but not last night.) You couldn't raise $34,000.00 on your own if your life depended on it.
Don't you get it yet? The campaign wasn't about getting you elected, it was about preventing Santos from getting elected. But it didn't work, did it? By the end of the campaign, even your own running mates weren't happy with you.
You just can't stand the idea that Hudson County used you to take its shot and you lost; but, unlike you, they admitted it, made nice, and everyone else is moving on.
I knew you wouldn't mind, so I sent a copy of your response to Bernie Kenny. He is not happy. Wouldn't be surprised if you heard from him soon.
KOTW Note: The above post was edited for content.
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I hope you can prove the $1500 check. If you can't I wouldn't blame Santos for sueing. If it is true he should be impeached. I am so sick of Hudson County politics. Bring back the Kearny Republican Party.
Did you ever think that the check, if there was one, was the regular annual assessment that each Municipal Democratic Party chips in to the County Democratic Party? I would assume that each town has to pay its share of the joint signs and joint literature (that includes local, county and state candidates). Kearny Republicans would be doing exactly the same, if they were still active.
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Look at the record taxpayers, "FAILED POLICIES RESULTED IN HUUGE PROPERTY TAX INCREASES" It's time for Mayor Santos to take responsability for the huge property "TAX MESS" that he placed on the townspeople. "SHAKE IT UP PEOPLE" "VOTE WRITE IN " "MANGIN FOR MAYOR OF KEARNY"
SANTOS & CO.----THEY'RE SMART, THEY'RE HONEST, THEY'RE UNOPPOSED! FOUR MORE YEARS.
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In April 2004 the County Democratic leadership promised me the County line. By the end of the month they had changed their mind and gave the line to Santos candidate.
Some people think it’s because of the $1,500 check Santos wrote to the Hudson County Dems on April 29, 2004.
Sorry. My integrity’s not for sale. I’d rather lose than sell out.
Jim Mangin
ps - It's good to be back.
Jimbo,
Tell the truth. Hudson County decided BEFORE April 29, 2004 to give the line to the Santos candidate; and not because Santos sent any check but because they knew she would win. Do you really believe that Hudson County would trade a "winning" candidate's slot for a mere $1500.00? And why couldn't you win off the line? Santos did.
Remember, the County gave you the line in your ill-fated 2002 full slate run against a Santos team that included two virtual unknowns---a team that was relegated to line E----and they still beat you and your heavily County backed, heavily County financed team. You'd rather lose than sell out? Please, I can only imagine the butt-kissing and pandering that went on during that campaign. The favors done for you in that fight didn't come without conditions. Hey, the County took its shot. You didn't produce, so you became "Jim Who?"
Face it. Santos and the council candidates he supports are winners. Not one loss yet and now they're going for four!
Welcome back.
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The last two clerks were from Kearny, it's a nice little job, but no real powerful mayor would want it.
So you didn't consider Frank E. Rodgers a powerful mayor? Oh, my! (Titter, titter!)
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I have a feeling at least one of them really enjoyed the kissing part.
Boy, you guys must really be running out of ammunition, huh?
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Remember when SANTOS had unflattering things to say about Senator Sacco and the county a few years ago. What a change!!! They are good guys now right Mayor because their doing for you now???????
Yeah, isn't it great? Two of my favorite Dems have kissed and made up. This can only be good for the party!
Perhaps you sound a bit cynical because you have fallen from grace because of this turn of events......huh?
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I'm still waiting for the logic and reasoning that shows Al Santos as anyone's favorite son.
You obviously are not a part of the inner circle. Not only are County officials tripping over themselves to make him happy, but the scuttlebutt is that he has been receiving phone calls from some very high level State folks, too! Who's been calling Jim Mangin?
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My advise to Al blame Mangin!
Hmmmm......come to think of it, there was a report of a slightly portly red-faced gentleman in the vicinity of Alden Leeds muttering something about a "spill in aisle three."
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I never heard about it, perhaps you needed to know someone to know about this "highly publicized" meeting.
It was in the newspapers and was announced at two (possibly three) council meetings. You were expecting a personal engraved invitation, maybe?
The meeting was attended in about the same manner as the meeting pertaining to the housing of sexual predators. You're all talk except when it counts.
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VOTE for FORRESTER not because we like him but to send a message to Jersey City. We want Santos gone!
And so you think voting for a Republican governor will curry enough attention from a totally Democratic county government so that they remove their new "favorite son", Al Santos? There must be some logic in there somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it!! That theory is really messed up. You vote Republican, and Hudson County will avoid you like the plague, my friend.
Give it up! We've got Santos & Co. for FOUR MORE YEARS.
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Dear A Realest,
The buck stops with Mayor Santos on the Chemical incident. He and his council cannot hide when things happen.
That is what happened in New Orleans. They canot refuse to do the right things to prepare for an incident such as this. Then cry it is not their function.
hunter
Are you not hearing, seeing, processing this information? Try to compute this. A procedure was in place; it was executed meticulously; the incident went off without a hitch---no serious injuries, no property damage.
The Santos Administration has worked municipal law to the limits; has met with chemical industry leaders; and most importantly has lobbied our legislators to enact the new regulatory laws as soon as possible. So what are you so pissed about? What, they didn't run it by you first?
Who's "hiding"? the Mayor and Council have been discussing this openly for some time now. I'll repeat my earlier question: if you are so concerned about this subject, why didn't you come to the highly publicized council meeting at which Corzine's representative answered questions about it?
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another Santos scew-up on this issue
Some say public wasn't kept adequately informed
Saturday, October 01, 2005
By JARRETT RENSHAW
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
KEARNY - Alex Goodman drove to work yesterday morning, listening to radio news reports about some kind of a chemical accident in Kearny - just down the street from the trucking company where he works as a business manager.
His wife, well aware that her husband works near Kuehne Chemical - described by some experts as one of the area's biggest terrorist targets - called him on his cell phone, urging him to turn around and come home until officials figured out what was going on.
Goodman said he then called the Kearny Police Department to find out what he should do.
The police officer, he says, told him that the winds took the chemical clouds north and that he was in no danger.
Goodman replied, "What if the winds turn south?"
Goodman pressed on, asking the officer if he should go to work or not. Finally, he said, the cop told him to do whatever he thought best. "Don't put your life in my hands," the officer reportedly told him.
Goodman said he was "shocked" by that response, and told his truck drivers to stay away until they figured out what was going on. Eventually, he went to an area diner and waited until officials gave the all-clear about 11 a.m.
Meanwhile, across the Hackensack River, police in Jersey City were using squad car loudspeakers to tell residents to stay indoors, close their windows, turn off their air-conditioners and tune in to local television and radio stations for the latest updates.
The Jersey City Board of Education told schools in the area to close their windows, and several offices at the foot of Duncan Avenue, including the Hudson County public safety building, were briefly evacuated.
Officials also closed the Pulaski Skyway at 8:30 a.m., worried that rush-hour traffic would snarl any chance of an evacuation should something go wrong.
Goodman and other workers in South Kearny said town officials should have done more to notify them about what was going on.
A security guard at the Port Kearny container storage facility on Hackensack Avenue learned of the details of the incident from the reporters assembled near the company's property.
"We should be notified," he said. "This could be life or death."
Kearny Fire Department Deputy Chief Robert Osborn said that officials concluded that no chlorine had been released and that people in the area weren't in any danger.
"If we needed to call these companies and evacuate, we always play it on the safe side, and we would have did just that," Osborn said. "We knew from an early point that the area around the company was a 'cold zone.'"
Osborn added that he kept the media informed on a routine basis in order to alleviate the public's fears and to keep area residents and workers informed.
Kearny Mayor Albert Santos said that emergency officials "did their job and informed those who needed to be informed."
As for the cop who spoke to Goodman, Santos said officials will "look into it" if he files a complaint. All phone calls are recorded, Santos said, so that if the officer didn't give Goodman an appropriate response it would be on tape.
"But that would surprise me if it happened," he said.
Are you schizophrenic, or what? You post an innuendo of epic proportion inferring catastrophe, incident mishandling and secrecy and then run a news article which disproves your whole theory.
Everyone from the local fire and police emergency personnel to County and State agencies praised the response and overall performance of the responders. Are you saying that our emergency management teams didn't do their job?
If Mr. Goodman wanted to check on wind direction, he should have called the Weather Bureau, not a police department that was in emergency mode. Was the officer supposed to stop what he was doing to weigh Mr. Goodman's decision for him? Grow up!
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Thank you Mr. Ferreira for bringing to our conscious awareness something that many of us were subconciously cognizant of:MAYOR SANTOS AND HIS CROANIES HAVE MADE KEARNY INTO A VERY UNSAFE, UNPROTECTED LIVING ENVIORMENT.THEY HAVE TAKEN AWAY OUR MEDICAL EMERGENCY HOSPITAL ROOMS AND COMPLETELY LEFT US AND OUR FAMILIES VULNERABLE TO A CATASTROPHIC CHEMICAL EXPLOSION.THEY HAVE RAISED OUR TAXES MORE THAN ANY OTHER SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES AND COMPLETELY DISEMPOWERED OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.Thank God, though, at least we did get Applebees built!!!!!It must have been all those "rebate" monies circulating around town.Keep up the good work, Mary Torres and Mayor Santos, I hope we do NOT get chlorinated food served at Applebees...
Wait, let me digest this. It's Santos' fault that the hospital isn't functioning? That may come as a surprise to the private entity that runs the Clara Maase Network and the State of New Jersey which oversees its operations (no pun intended).
And I suppose that the chemical companies were brought in by this administration; and that the State and Federal governments summarily turned over their authority to Al Santos. Don't think so! What the Santos administration has done is to be in constant communication with Senator Corzine, one of the authors of the pending regulatory legislation. Why is it that none of you critics took the time to go to the council meeting that was attended by Corzine's representative who addressed this very subject? You had a golden opportunity to ask all the questions you wanted. Hell no. Then you'd actually have to deal with the facts.
I suggest that you check the percentages of property tax, water rate and sewer charge increases in recent years in Harrison, North Arlington and Belleville (to name just a few) before you malign Kearny. Rising taxes are a fact of life for New Jersey municipalities. Let's face it---if you guys could get a better deal somewhere else, you'd be gone.
Bert, please, stop this unprofessional, grammatically challenged, verbal carnage. You're beginning to remind me of Professor Irwin Corey, the King of the Malaprop; and frankly, you're giving educators a bad name!
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A Realist Don't you have anything better to do then post under every topic on this board?
Don't you have anything better to do than to read all my posts?
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Yea vote for Mary she's bullshit on education. You really think you've got everybody fooled.
Not everybody. Just you!
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Oh please, not even worth a real comment
Oh, but you did comment, didn't you?
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MARY TORRES, 21 YEARS ON THE KEARNY BOARD OF EDUCATION, 21 TAX INCREASES!!!!!! IN TO LONG TIME TO GO!!!!!!!!!
VOTE FOR MARY TORRES. SHE'S "BULLISH" ON EDUCATION.
(21 Years of dedicated service to Kearny's children)
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MARY, MARY, SO MUCH TO THE CONTRARY!!!April,2006 will be here SO!!! Are you" wary???"
Mary, Mary don't you fret.
They haven't been able to beat you yet.
Your 21 years have made us smarter and stronger,
So I think we'll keep you a whole lot longer!
IN APRIL 2006 VOTE FOR MARY TORRES. SHE'S BULLISH ON EDUCATION!
Mayor Santos Already Putting Spin On Taxes.
in Kearny
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You made a mistake? You know probably better than anyone how to read those reports. You scrutinized Santos' report and when you couldn't find anything incriminating, you did what you always do. You purposely misled the readers on this site.
You assumed I meant the first fundraiser? Who are you kidding? I described it as an out-of-town pricey ticket affair. How could you be confused, Jimbo?
And what about those in attendance? Who contributed and how much? No Hudson County Dems? Really! You lied, big time! You didn't "raise" the money. You were TOLD when and where to show-up and you were handed a number of very large checks. You are not the noble, independent, altruistic, regular guy you try to portray.
I offered the "annual assessment" scenario as a possible rational explanation for the alleged contribution, because no one could possibly believe that HCDO (one of the wealthiest Democratic organizations around) would sell a ballot spot to someone you claim they don't even respect, for a measly $1500.00. That just defies all logic.
Santos and his team got the line because they win and you don't!