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In 2009, then Senator John Kerry predicted that because of global warming, the artic would be ice free by 2013. Not only did that not happen but a recent report on artic ice stated that as of this year 2014, the artic ice is larger than it's been in 10 years. As I said here once before, this global warming nonsense is a scam by zero and his minions to promote his environmental tree hugger agenda. I'm wondering is zero has ever been right on any issue.

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Yet again, you're taking misinformation from right wing sources with a political agenda, not from the scientists who have the facts. The liars who are feeding you this propaganda aren't telling you that although there has been an upturn in Arctic ice this summer, as compared with last summer, because of an unusually cold winter in the Northern hemisphere, the amount of ice and snow worldwide continues to decline, as it must since the Earth as a whole is warming. Furthermore, the prediction, based on some of the models, was for an ice-free summer in the Arctic in the middle of this century, not an ice-free condition across the entire Arctic now. The trend toward an ice-free Arctic summer is still continuing, as you can see from the graph at the top right corner of the current Wikipedia article on "Arctic sea ice decline." The mere fact that there is an upturn this year reflects weather, not climate.

Note how all your claims don't discuss the earth as a whole but only cherry-picked regions on Earth, and only when the data bucks the world-wide, long-term trends. So just as you did with the cool temperatures in the United States this summer, you're confusing weather patterns with climate change. And of course the right wing blowhards who feed you this stuff only pay attention to the data they like, which means that they ignore 98% of the facts. That is dishonest. They couldn't care less about the truth, and apparently, you don't either.

So next time, instead of just repeating what your right-wing thought masters tell you to think, check the facts. You'll be a better person, and better informed.

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For anyone interested in the facts, read the actual data here.

We've been over this before. 2dim's argument - which of course he got from right wing media - is that if it's the bottom of the 8th and the Yankees score 2 runs, but they're still behind 16-2, 2dim says that means they're winning. One summer's data do not change long-term trends, unless those trends continue, which has not happened yet and may never happen. The long-term trend is as stated on the NSIDC link: the ice caps are still disappearing. It may take a long time, and we may have innings where they rally, but long-term, they're disappearing, because carbon is trapping heat within our atmosphere, causing the Earth to heat.

This isn't spin. It's not politics. It's facts and science.

Which explains why 2dim doesn't understand it.

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OK, I just checked the facts. The reality is the artic ice is just fine and the average temperature of the earth has risen only 0.07 degrees in the last 15 years. So next time, instead of just repeating what the loony left wants you to believe, ask me first.

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Wrong again. The Arctic is warming faster than most places. The .07 figure comes from a study that uses only weather stations data and therefore excludes most of Africa, the Middle East, the Amazon, and all of the Arctic. Factoring those in with satellite data gives an average of .12 per decade, which is exactly where the IPCC estimated it would be. Doesn't sound like much? Average global temperature was only about 2 degrees less than now during the last Ice Age.

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OK, I just checked the facts. The reality is the artic ice is just fine and the average temperature of the earth has risen only 0.07 degrees in the last 15 years. So next time, instead of just repeating what the loony left wants you to believe, ask me first.

What "facts" did you check? What did you cherry-pick this time? Is that .07 degrees F or C? And are you referring to land surface temperatures only, or are you counting the oceans? You have to count ocean temperatures. Did you? This link from the NOAA explains why those things matter. (Why are you incapable, apparently, of linking to your sources?)

The same article points out that if we trace back to the 1970s, we've seen a rise of .5 degrees Celsius over 25 years. That's huge. That more than one degree Farenheit in only 25 years. The IPCC notes that there have been two periods of steep temperature rise, one from the 1910s to the 1940s and the other from the 1970s to the present.

If we go back to 1880, average surface temperatures, counting both land and water, have risen 1.53 degrees Farenheit. That's also huge.

For 37 consecutive years to the present, average global temperatures have been above average, measuring back to when these records were first kept in 1880. That's not a cherry-picked number over the short term. It's a startling and highly significant fact over the long-term, across the entire earth, which is what climate is all about. And I don't understand how you can say that "the Arctic ice is just fine," when the long-term trend clearly shows that there's a sharp trend toward it diminishing.

And even if you claim that the increase in average temperatures have leveled off over the past 15 years, that still doesn't deny the long-term trend toward higher temperatures. In fact, even your numbers are troubling. You don't seem to understand the patterns of statistics. The baseball analogy is excellent. If the Red Sox score 10 runs in the first six innings, then the Yankees score two runs in the eighth, but the Red Sox score six more runs in the ninth, you can't look at the game (with any intelligence) by just looking at the score in the 7th and 8th innings, and saying the Yankees won the game 2-0. They still lost, 16-2.

And if we don't address global warming, we're all screwed, including you.

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Here are some facts from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies:

"Scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) say 2012 was the ninth warmest year since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures. The ten warmest years in the 132-year record have all occurred since 1998. The last year that was cooler than average was 1976.

The map at the top depicts temperature anomalies, or changes, by region in 2012; it does not show absolute temperature. Reds and blues show how much warmer or cooler each area was in 2012 compared to an averaged base period from 1951–1980. For more explanation of how the analysis works, read World of Change: Global Temperatures.

"The average temperature in 2012 was about 14.6 degrees Celsius (58.3 degrees Fahrenheit), which is 0.55°C (1.0°F) warmer than the mid-20th century base period. The average global temperature has increased 0.8°C (1.4°F) since 1880, and most of that change has occurred in the past four decades."

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Put the Kool-Aid down and pay attention. Throughout the ages there have been warming and cooling cycles, long before humans inhabited the earth. zer0 or Al Gore can't change these cycles. Stop acting like Chicken Little, the sky's not falling.

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You wonder why 2Stupid4Words never gets embarrassed about being called out on these things, and proved wrong time after time. Oh well, the links are all useful - well worth the time it takes to read and understand them.

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Here are some facts from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies:

"Scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) say 2012 was the ninth warmest year since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures. The ten warmest years in the 132-year record have all occurred since 1998. The last year that was cooler than average was 1976.

The map at the top depicts temperature anomalies, or changes, by region in 2012; it does not show absolute temperature. Reds and blues show how much warmer or cooler each area was in 2012 compared to an averaged base period from 1951–1980. For more explanation of how the analysis works, read World of Change: Global Temperatures.

"The average temperature in 2012 was about 14.6 degrees Celsius (58.3 degrees Fahrenheit), which is 0.55°C (1.0°F) warmer than the mid-20th century base period. The average global temperature has increased 0.8°C (1.4°F) since 1880, and most of that change has occurred in the past four decades."

Yeahhhh...too bad Nasa got caught "Tweaking" those numbers.......they forgot that the original models were open source and still available.. http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000

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The statement about John Kerry is typical right wing personification and distraction. Kerry did say that, and as to most scientists, he was incorrect. Most scientists say the Arctic, during the summer months, will be ice-free by the middle to the end of this century. Instead of discussing the facts, our resident right winger made a personal comment about Kerry as a way to undermine concern about global warming, which is very real - as is obvious from just the few links posted on this topic.

It's the same stunt they tried to pull by called the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare." Make it personal, make fun of the person, and take down the idea, even though the idea isn't being addressed. This tells you a lot about how the right wing mind "thinks," and none of it is good. It's all very harmful to our lives together as citizens of one supposedly united nation. The Framers envisioned citizens reasoning together, not slinging mud and saying ridiculous things.

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Yeahhhh...too bad Nasa got caught "Tweaking" those numbers.......they forgot that the original models were open source and still available.. http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000

Your source is just a TV station looking for ratings. Apparently you take the claims of one meteorologist as being the absolute truth. NASA changed its methods of analysis, which scientists do from time to time. Using other methods, other experts call another year the hottest on record. However, the IPCC and the NOAA reached the same conclusion as NASA. And of course, you completely overlook the fact that all of the contenders for hottest year on record are within the past two decades. Follow the dots in the chart in the IPCC analysis.

Global warming and climate change are scientifically proven facts. You cannot change them with ad hominem attacks against the researchers and scientific analysts, especially when your challenges are coming from sensationalistic media outlets aiming for ratings.

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Yeahhhh...too bad Nasa got caught "Tweaking" those numbers.......they forgot that the original models were open source and still available.. http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000

Oh, so your go-to guru for the truth about climate change is the climate-change denier, John Coleman. He was a TV weatherman with no academic credentials on climate change. He's entitled to his opinion but it does not represent the views of most climate scientists, or even most meteorologists.

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Keep im mind, NASA is part of the zerO administration. NASA will say whatever zerO wants them to say.

You seem to be misrememberin' an important detail about the time period in question. Some people might question your strategerie.

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No, I'm referring to zerO's climate change agenda; war on coal and billions wasted on solar energy frauds. Bush was aware of the naturally occuring climate changes but never attacked the coal industry.

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You seem to be misrememberin' an important detail about the time period in question. Some people might question your strategerie.

2Stupid4Words gives new meaning to the word "stupid."

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NASA, the socialist arm of zerO's one-world dictatorship, was created the same year he was born. Only a loony lefty would think thats just a coinsidence.

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No, I'm referring to zerO's climate change agenda; war on coal and billions wasted on solar energy frauds. Bush was aware of the naturally occuring climate changes but never attacked the coal industry.

What you, in your ignorance, call an attack on the coal industry, a responsible citizen calls conversion of our energy sources from fossil fuels. We need to do that, both for our environment and for long-term preservation of resources like coal. Those resources accumulated over millions of years. We are using them all in a couple of centuries. If you cared about future generations, you would recognize how wrong that is.

But hey, maybe you know something about an Obama proposal that I don't know. Instead of your usual snotty remarks, state what policy President Obama proposed, and why you don't agree with it. You won't do that because you don't have a clue what he proposed. All you "know" is what Fox told you to think.

As for Mr. Bush, give us a break. All he cared about was the corporate bottom line.

As for you, your continual tirade against President Obama is outrageous. You made a fool of yourself, saying that NASA was an Obama puppet but in fact, NASA issued the report about 2005 being the hottest year on record before Obama was president. Instead of recognizing your complete lack of objectivity, you just charge back in with another set of wild charges against the President.

As for a climate change agenda, an agenda is a list of things to accomplish. We should have one. In fact, we should have several. Don't you think?

Well . . . no, you don't think.

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No, I'm referring to zerO's climate change agenda; war on coal and billions wasted on solar energy frauds. Bush was aware of the naturally occuring climate changes but never attacked the coal industry.

Dude, whenever you don't agree with something, you just make stuff up. You attacked NASA without the slightest basis in fact. Their data are matters of public knowledge, and their conclusions are basically the same as those of the NOAA, the IPCC and every other reputable climate study center. Whether 2005 was the hottest year on record as of 2006, or 1998 was, or now 2010 was, the fact is that all our hottest years are within the past twenty years. Look at the graph.

Al Gore pointed out an inconvenient truth. An inconvenient truth is something you wish wasn't true, but it is, so you have to make changes you would rather not have to make. Like regulating the coal industry, as well as the oil and gas industries, and trying to shift from highly profitable sources of energy (profitable for some) to other sources that cost nothing to obtain and - with the right technologies - little to harness. We'll all be better off when that happens, except for the few who are getting rich on oil, gas and coal. We're not there yet but the agendas of self-interest are all on the fossil fuels side. Your painting it as though President Obama had some private agenda adverse to oil and coal interests is absurd. The truth is the opposite. If anything, he is not doing enough to push us toward sun, wind, tides and geothermal sources.

You're like a horribly spoiled three-year-old. There's no reasoning with you. You don't even have enough respect to call the President of the United States by his proper name. So if you get called "stupid" and "idiot," it's because you act like one.

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