Isn't it interesting . . .

[Guest Guest]

. . . how none of the Christian God's grand schemes ever works out.

God creates a man and woman to live in paradise, never to die or suffer. They have the audacity to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, before which time they had no ability to know the difference between right and wrong, apparently. For this act of disobedience, which according to the story they had no ability to know was wrong, God ejects them from paradise, so that they must suffer and die, as must every person after them. Ask yourself, is it more likely that this really happened, or that someone made it up? Either way, God's plan is foiled, by his own hand, since he could have punished only those who had disobeyed them; and he didn't have to create future souls in a state of sinfulness.

God destroys all but eight people with a flood, somehow magically increasing the amount of water on Earth so that it covers all the land, even the highest mountain peaks. No human or land animal survives, though presumably the fish and other aquatic creatures are spared. Then this vast amount of water somehow disappears, and Noah and his family begin populating the Earth, the human race now purified. Yet the human race looks exactly the same afterward as it did before. If God's plan was to eliminate all the unjust people, it didn't work.

God sends his only begotten Son to die on the cross so that those who believe in him may be saved. The offer is made to the whole world, whom God so loves according to John 3:16, yet somehow most of the world never hears the story for more than a millennium. If God's plan was to offer salvation to everyone on condition of belief, how can it be that God neglected to tell everyone?

So here we have the creation, the purification and the offer of salvation, ostensibly the three most important things God ever did for humanity, according to Christian theology. None of them worked as God supposedly planned them. Two questions.

1. How can that be, if the story is true?

2. How many obvious absurdities does it take for Christian literalists to admit that their fairy tale never happened?

You wanted to talk about it. Go ahead.

[Guest Guest]

So true. People have been inventing religions for thousands of years, always to imagine some better world or life. Because they could never test their ideas to see whether they were true, the stories made sense only up to a point. When you look at them carefully, they fall apart. It's as true of Judaism and Christianity as it is of any religion.

[Guest Guest]

. . . how none of the Christian God's grand schemes ever works out.

God creates a man and woman to live in paradise, never to die or suffer. They have the audacity to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, before which time they had no ability to know the difference between right and wrong, apparently. For this act of disobedience, which according to the story they had no ability to know was wrong, God ejects them from paradise, so that they must suffer and die, as must every person after them. Ask yourself, is it more likely that this really happened, or that someone made it up? Either way, God's plan is foiled, by his own hand, since he could have punished only those who had disobeyed them; and he didn't have to create future souls in a state of sinfulness.

God destroys all but eight people with a flood, somehow magically increasing the amount of water on Earth so that it covers all the land, even the highest mountain peaks. No human or land animal survives, though presumably the fish and other aquatic creatures are spared. Then this vast amount of water somehow disappears, and Noah and his family begin populating the Earth, the human race now purified. Yet the human race looks exactly the same afterward as it did before. If God's plan was to eliminate all the unjust people, it didn't work.

God sends his only begotten Son to die on the cross so that those who believe in him may be saved. The offer is made to the whole world, whom God so loves according to John 3:16, yet somehow most of the world never hears the story for more than a millennium. If God's plan was to offer salvation to everyone on condition of belief, how can it be that God neglected to tell everyone?

So here we have the creation, the purification and the offer of salvation, ostensibly the three most important things God ever did for humanity, according to Christian theology. None of them worked as God supposedly planned them. Two questions.

1. How can that be, if the story is true?

2. How many obvious absurdities does it take for Christian literalists to admit that their fairy tale never happened?

You wanted to talk about it. Go ahead.

Say hello to Dorothy for me. Good luck with finding a brain.

[Guest Guest]

Say hello to Dorothy for me. Good luck with finding a brain.

I'm not the one who didn't say anything. If I'm so brainless, then you should have no difficulty dispensing with my points.

Only that's not what is going on. You will do anything to avoid confronting the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of your theology. You see these points and don't know what to do with them. But they're so far outside what you've been taught to think that you can push them out of your mind without really thinking about them.

Prove me wrong. Address even one of the points.

You won't because they're all true, and deep down you know it.

[Guest Guest]

Say hello to Dorothy for me. Good luck with finding a brain.

Reading the opening post, there are many things we could call it but brainless isn't among them. The sentence structure is perfect, the vocabulary is excellent and the reasoning is crisp, from one point to the next.

Reading your two-sentence post in response, I can only say it's not much of a response. What do you disagree with, and why?

[Guest Kearny Christian]

Reading the opening post, there are many things we could call it but brainless isn't among them. The sentence structure is perfect, the vocabulary is excellent and the reasoning is crisp, from one point to the next.

Reading your two-sentence post in response, I can only say it's not much of a response. What do you disagree with, and why?

Poor boy, I'll pray for you tonight.

[Guest Guest]

Not one God babbler even tried to address these issues. They know their religion is a fairy tale.

We'll be returning to this topic when the God babblers start whining again.

Why can't people just be honest?

[Guest Guest]

Unfortunately, KC, the rest of us will have to think for you.

[Guest Guest]

Poor boy, I'll pray for you tonight.

Really? A snotty comeback is your idea of being a Christian? Vacuous is bad enough but you have the arrogance to pray for someone else?

[Guest Guest]

Poor boy, I'll pray for you tonight.

When you were silent, we could at least wonder whether you had stopped following this topic. When you post like that, you only make it obvious that you have nothing intelligent to say.

1. If God's intent was to create human beings and have them live in paradise, why didn't it work out?

2. If God's intent with a great flood was to purify the human race, why didn't that work out?

3. If God's intent was to send a savior so that all who believed in him might be saved, why did most of the world know nothing about it?

God's three greatest acts, and none of them worked out. If your God exists, how is that possible?

[Guest Guest]

When you were silent, we could at least wonder whether you had stopped following this topic. When you post like that, you only make it obvious that you have nothing intelligent to say.

1. If God's intent was to create human beings and have them live in paradise, why didn't it work out?

2. If God's intent with a great flood was to purify the human race, why didn't that work out?

3. If God's intent was to send a savior so that all who believed in him might be saved, why did most of the world know nothing about it?

God's three greatest acts, and none of them worked out. If your God exists, how is that possible?

Great questions. Don't expect any answers from the so-called Christians.

[Guest Guest]

A fourth failure is the supposed God's attempt to confine evil. Supposedly God created hell to confine evil. Supposedly, Satan was sent there. Yet somehow Satan finds his way out of hell into paradise, thereby corrupting the entire human race. Hell ends up being an ineffectual something that does not accomplish anything and is only a place of means of inflicting gratuitous suffering that doesn't reform anyone and doesn't confine evil so that it cannot spread. Of course, you could interpret any or all of this as a metaphor, as you could with any part of the Christian narrative. But if you take it seriously and literally, it makes absolutely no sense. It's shocking that in this time when we have so much information and knowledge, people still believe this story.

[Guest Guest]

A fourth failure is the supposed God's attempt to confine evil. Supposedly God created hell to confine evil. Supposedly, Satan was sent there. Yet somehow Satan finds his way out of hell into paradise, thereby corrupting the entire human race. Hell ends up being an ineffectual something that does not accomplish anything and is only a place of means of inflicting gratuitous suffering that doesn't reform anyone and doesn't confine evil so that it cannot spread. Of course, you could interpret any or all of this as a metaphor, as you could with any part of the Christian narrative. But if you take it seriously and literally, it makes absolutely no sense. It's shocking that in this time when we have so much information and knowledge, people still believe this story.

Listening to some Christians try to do their apologetics for the idea of "man's sinful nature" is like walking through the looking glass with Alice. You have to buy the idea that God is perfect, yet somehow can't create perfect offspring. The usual answer to that is that if we were all perfect, life wouldn't be interesting. How do they know? Has that ever happened? If everything started with a perfect god, then why couldn't things be perfect and interesting? Perfection should have room for diversity.

One of many problems with most of what passes for Christian theology is that they limit their own god, all the while telling you that he is perfect and omnipotent. Yet again, they contradict themselves and their story makes no sense, if you take it literally.

[Guest Guest]

Listening to some Christians try to do their apologetics for the idea of "man's sinful nature" is like walking through the looking glass with Alice. You have to buy the idea that God is perfect, yet somehow can't create perfect offspring. The usual answer to that is that if we were all perfect, life wouldn't be interesting. How do they know? Has that ever happened? If everything started with a perfect god, then why couldn't things be perfect and interesting? Perfection should have room for diversity.

One of many problems with most of what passes for Christian theology is that they limit their own god, all the while telling you that he is perfect and omnipotent. Yet again, they contradict themselves and their story makes no sense, if you take it literally.

I would like to know, in all seriousness, why the hypocrites who want to shove their religion down our throats don't want to have this discussion. The minute someone tells the truth about their religion, they turn tail and run.

[Guest Guest]

. . . how none of the Christian God's grand schemes ever works out.

God creates a man and woman to live in paradise, never to die or suffer. They have the audacity to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, before which time they had no ability to know the difference between right and wrong, apparently. For this act of disobedience, which according to the story they had no ability to know was wrong, God ejects them from paradise, so that they must suffer and die, as must every person after them. Ask yourself, is it more likely that this really happened, or that someone made it up? Either way, God's plan is foiled, by his own hand, since he could have punished only those who had disobeyed them; and he didn't have to create future souls in a state of sinfulness.

God destroys all but eight people with a flood, somehow magically increasing the amount of water on Earth so that it covers all the land, even the highest mountain peaks. No human or land animal survives, though presumably the fish and other aquatic creatures are spared. Then this vast amount of water somehow disappears, and Noah and his family begin populating the Earth, the human race now purified. Yet the human race looks exactly the same afterward as it did before. If God's plan was to eliminate all the unjust people, it didn't work.

God sends his only begotten Son to die on the cross so that those who believe in him may be saved. The offer is made to the whole world, whom God so loves according to John 3:16, yet somehow most of the world never hears the story for more than a millennium. If God's plan was to offer salvation to everyone on condition of belief, how can it be that God neglected to tell everyone?

So here we have the creation, the purification and the offer of salvation, ostensibly the three most important things God ever did for humanity, according to Christian theology. None of them worked as God supposedly planned them. Two questions.

1. How can that be, if the story is true?

2. How many obvious absurdities does it take for Christian literalists to admit that their fairy tale never happened?

You wanted to talk about it. Go ahead.

Why is it that right wing Bible-thumping nutcakes never want to talk about the facts?