Canada's now #1

[Guest 2smart4u]

More evidence of zerO's incompetence. Canada has just passed the U.S. as the #1 economy. Canada lowered their corporate tax rate to

15% and since then their economy is booming. zerO has been raising the corporate tax rate, it's now at 35%, and our economy is

weak. American corporations are relocating off shore and taking jobs with them. Things will not change until we elect a Republican who

understands the economy. It's obvious a community organizer doesn't get it.

[Guest Kearny Dylan Fan]

More evidence of zerO's incompetence. Canada has just passed the U.S. as the #1 economy. Canada lowered their corporate tax rate to

15% and since then their economy is booming. zerO has been raising the corporate tax rate, it's now at 35%, and our economy is

weak. American corporations are relocating off shore and taking jobs with them. Things will not change until we elect a Republican who

understands the economy. It's obvious a community organizer doesn't get it.

I thought Canada sucked because it instituted an Obama style health care system years ago? I love how you pick and chose to bash Obama.

[Guest Guest]

Canada has a single-payer health care system, you moron.

And when you say "number one," to what do you refer? Size? GDP? What are you talking about. There won't be an answer because you have no idea.

[Guest Guest]

Canada has a single-payer health care system, you moron.

And when you say "number one," to what do you refer? Size? GDP? What are you talking about. There won't be an answer because you have no idea.

Yet Wisconson, and Michigan hospitals are full of Canadians who come here for surgery because they dont want to deal with the Waiting List....Imagine that

[Guest Guest]

Yet Wisconson, and Michigan hospitals are full of Canadians who come here for surgery because they dont want to deal with the Waiting List....Imagine that

That's exactly what you did. You imagined it.

We have waiting lists, too, imposed by the insurance companies.

Stop buying the lies the insurance companies are feeding you. Don't you have the brains to understand why they're telling you these things?

[Guest Former BayStater]

Yet Wisconson, and Michigan hospitals are full of Canadians who come here for surgery because they dont want to deal with the Waiting List....Imagine that

10% of all surgeries in Boston hospitals are on Canadians. If you need surgery in Canada and can afford it, you go to the U.S. There are many

horror stories in Canada of people dying while waiting for their turn on waiting lists.

[Guest Guest]

10% of all surgeries in Boston hospitals are on Canadians. If you need surgery in Canada and can afford it, you go to the U.S. There are many

horror stories in Canada of people dying while waiting for their turn on waiting lists.

If that's true, then Canada has to make a choice. If those numbers are unacceptable to the Canadian people, then they should spend more money on their health care system to attract more surgeons. Then they won't have the wait time. It's a matter of resource allocation. But don't pretend that private markets don't allocate resources. They do, just in a different way.

[Guest Guest]

More evidence of zerO's incompetence. Canada has just passed the U.S. as the #1 economy. Canada lowered their corporate tax rate to

15% and since then their economy is booming. zerO has been raising the corporate tax rate, it's now at 35%, and our economy is

weak. American corporations are relocating off shore and taking jobs with them. Things will not change until we elect a Republican who

understands the economy. It's obvious a community organizer doesn't get it.

You IDIOT! As usual, you ignore most of the facts and spin the fact or two you have so far right that they no longer bear any relation to the truth.

Here's the truth: "While the wealthiest Americans are outpacing many of their global peers, a New York Times analysis shows that across the lower- and middle-income tiers, citizens of other advances countries have received considerably larger raises over the last three decades. After-tax middle-class incomes in Canada - substantially behind in 2000 - now appear to be higher than in the United States. The poor in much of Europe earn more than poor Americans. The numbers, based on surveys conducted over the last 35 years, offer some of the most detailed publicly available comparisons for different income groups in different countries over time. They suggest that most American families are paying a steep price for high and rising income inequality. Although economic growth in the United States continues to be as strong as in many other countries, or stronger, a small percentage of American households is fully benefiting from it."

In other words, Republican trickle-down policies caused the problem. What we need is an end to the lunacy of income redistribution toward the top, and policies that will revitalize the middle and lower classes, like a decent minimum wage, programs to repair our infrastructure, and a national effort toward energy independence. Then our lower and middle classes will be on top of the world again.

And it isn't mainly about health care. Whoever took this topic off in that direction doesn't understand the issue.

[Guest Guest]

More evidence of zerO's incompetence. Canada has just passed the U.S. as the #1 economy. Canada lowered their corporate tax rate to

15% and since then their economy is booming. zerO has been raising the corporate tax rate, it's now at 35%, and our economy is

weak. American corporations are relocating off shore and taking jobs with them. Things will not change until we elect a Republican who

understands the economy. It's obvious a community organizer doesn't get it.

you should have moved there with limbaugh and ted nugent who said they would move to Canada if the President were re-elected

[Bern]

Its not true. This is the usual bs from the low information, low intelligence drones as fed them by rightwing radio, etc.

You don't see Canadians pining in their newspapers and letters to the editors about wait times.

They had a series the "Greatest Canadian". The winner was Tommy Douglas, their "Father of Medicare."

Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."^[9][10] A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system.^[11][12] Plus 70% of Canadians rated their system as working either "well" or "very well".^[13]

A 2009 Harris/Decima poll found 82% of Canadians preferred their healthcare system to the one in the United States, more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system for Canada^[14] while a Strategic Counsel survey in 2008 found 91% of Canadians preferring their healthcare system to that of the U.S.^[11][12]

[Guest Guest]

That's exactly what you did. You imagined it.

We have waiting lists, too, imposed by the insurance companies.

Stop buying the lies the insurance companies are feeding you. Don't you have the brains to understand why they're telling you these things?

Sorry, but no..... My Cousin is a Nursing Supervisor at a large Hospital in the Green bay area, it was an open topic of discussion at a recent conference among the Medical Folks in the Wisconsin, Upper Peninsula area. You can Imagine Insurance companies behind the curtain all you want, but these are the people who actually DEAL with the patients themselves.

[Guest 2smart4u]

You IDIOT! As usual, you ignore most of the facts and spin the fact or two you have so far right that they no longer bear any relation to the truth.

Here's the truth: "While the wealthiest Americans are outpacing many of their global peers, a New York Times analysis shows that across the lower- and middle-income tiers, citizens of other advances countries have received considerably larger raises over the last three decades. After-tax middle-class incomes in Canada - substantially behind in 2000 - now appear to be higher than in the United States. The poor in much of Europe earn more than poor Americans. The numbers, based on surveys conducted over the last 35 years, offer some of the most detailed publicly available comparisons for different income groups in different countries over time. They suggest that most American families are paying a steep price for high and rising income inequality. Although economic growth in the United States continues to be as strong as in many other countries, or stronger, a small percentage of American households is fully benefiting from it."

In other words, Republican trickle-down policies caused the problem. What we need is an end to the lunacy of income redistribution toward the top, and policies that will revitalize the middle and lower classes, like a decent minimum wage, programs to repair our infrastructure, and a national effort toward energy independence. Then our lower and middle classes will be on top of the world again.

And it isn't mainly about health care. Whoever took this topic off in that direction doesn't understand the issue.

Blame zerO for not approving the pipeline and not lowering the corporate tax rate. Both of those things would create jobs in the middle class.

[Guest Guest]

Blame zerO for not approving the pipeline and not lowering the corporate tax rate. Both of those things would create jobs in the middle class.

First, you completely ignored everything that was said, obviously because the facts don't fit with your ideological biases.

Second, you're too stupid to realize that the corporations are selling you a line that puts you and everyone else subservient to them. The middle class has been declining for decades, under both Republican and Democratic control. The game is rigged so that only a few can win. How much more do you have to lose before you realize what's going on?

[Guest Guest]

Sorry, but no..... My Cousin is a Nursing Supervisor at a large Hospital in the Green bay area, it was an open topic of discussion at a recent conference among the Medical Folks in the Wisconsin, Upper Peninsula area. You can Imagine Insurance companies behind the curtain all you want, but these are the people who actually DEAL with the patients themselves.

What do you mean "imagine" the insurance companies? Are you naive enough to think they don't matter, both politically and in the everyday operations of our health care?

[Guest 2smart4u]

First, you completely ignored everything that was said, obviously because the facts don't fit with your ideological biases.

Second, you're too stupid to realize that the corporations are selling you a line that puts you and everyone else subservient to them. The middle class has been declining for decades, under both Republican and Democratic control. The game is rigged so that only a few can win. How much more do you have to lose before you realize what's going on?

Biff, I'm really sorry you live in a society where brains, education and inititive are keys to success. You'd be much better off living in france where the government could take care of you.

[Guest Guest]

Biff, I'm really sorry you live in a society where brains, education and inititive are keys to success. You'd be much better off living in france where the government could take care of you.

Good grief. Are you really stupid enough to think that hedge fund managers contribute to our economy? All they do is destabilize the system. The bankers are so out of control that gains are private but loss is socialized. That's not a system that rewards success and achievement, it's a rigged system that ensures success to those already on top.

How do you explain the progressive difficulties of the middle class and the lower class? This trend has been going on for thirty-five years, at least, despite technological advances. Are the last 35 years worth of people who came of employment age inferior to their parents? Or could it be that the rules have changed, and we now have a global economy, so that hard work, intelligence and talent aren't enough any more?

Try, just once, to step far enough outside your ideology to see what's really going on.

[Guest 2smart4u]

Good grief. Are you really stupid enough to think that hedge fund managers contribute to our economy? All they do is destabilize the system. The bankers are so out of control that gains are private but loss is socialized. That's not a system that rewards success and achievement, it's a rigged system that ensures success to those already on top.

How do you explain the progressive difficulties of the middle class and the lower class? This trend has been going on for thirty-five years, at least, despite technological advances. Are the last 35 years worth of people who came of employment age inferior to their parents? Or could it be that the rules have changed, and we now have a global economy, so that hard work, intelligence and talent aren't enough any more?

Try, just once, to step far enough outside your ideology to see what's really going on.

You're a moron. All you're doing is spewing words that pass through your simple brain, nothing making sense.

[Guest Guest]

All you're doing is spewing words that pass through your simple brain, nothing making sense.

Coming from you, those remarks are laughable. No, to you it wouldn't make any sense. But one of several differences between you and several others here is that we actually say something.

Address the point about hedge fund managers.

Address the point about destabilizing our system with rampant speculation.

Address the point about privatization of profits and socialization of loss.

Address the point about what has happened to the system that used to reward hard work that contributed something to the general prosperity.

Address the point about the how the middle and lower classes have been struggling more and more for decades, and that it makes no sense to say that people today are just stupid, lazy or whatever.

Address how the rules have changed, and how the way the rules are made has changed.

Try, just once, to say something with some content in it, based on facts and intelligent thought.

[Guest Guest]

You're a moron. All you're doing is spewing words that pass through your simple brain, nothing making sense.

Of course it makes sense. Take the first point, about hedge fund managers. What do they contribute to the economy? Nothing. They don't produce anything of value. All they do is redistribute income by leveraging markets for their own gain. Instead of making money by adding something to the economy, they shuffle paper and skim profits off the top. And they can as easily do it by betting against the economy as by betting on it. This diverts value out of the economy, analogous to decreasing the efficiency of an engine. So their net "contribution" to the economy is a negative. They do more harm than good. Yet we give them highly favorable tax rate treatment, solely because they have the political clout to push it through Congress.

Take the banks. Their bailout after the crash in 2008 is an epic scandal. When they make profits, they keep them. When they are about to collapse, the taxpayers bail them out. That's not capitalism, it's fascism. And it encourages them to speculate with their investments - in effect, gambling - creating an unstable economy built not on value but on paper. Inevitably, economies like that collapse, as happened in 1929 and in 2008. The speculative aspect of the economy becomes too large, the artificial bubble bursts and every honest investor loses a large percentage of everything he had invested (saved). That creates an economy that people cannot count on, i.e., an unstable economy. So there's a second layer of instability.

With those explanations, you should understand my previous post. Think about those points and the others, and comment again, intelligently this time.

[Guest Guest]

You're a moron. All you're doing is spewing words that pass through your simple brain, nothing making sense.

I don't know whether this is your biggest problem but it's a big one: you have no respect for other points of view. As a result, you can only see things from one narrow perspective, and you cannot learn anything. No one - no one - gets a good grip on reality (which is very complex) like that.