Guest Guest Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Yeah, that guy, Bill Nye, the science educator from the children's TV show. He debated founder of the Creation Museum, 27 million dollar monument to ignorance. The question was whether Ham's creationist model is viable. Ham claims that the earth is only 6,000 years old. Ham spoke first but Nye won the debate with his first point. Scientists have counted 680,000 ice rings in one location alone. We know that one ice ring forms each year. So the earth cannot be only 6,000 years old. The debate was over, and Nye continued to dismantle Ham from there. You can watch the debate from this link. There are plenty of others. Why is this important? Because the scientific education of our children and the scientific literacy of our people is essential to our country's future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2smart4u Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Yeah, that guy, Bill Nye, the science educator from the children's TV show. He debated founder of the Creation Museum, 27 million dollar monument to ignorance. The question was whether Ham's creationist model is viable. Ham claims that the earth is only 6,000 years old. Ham spoke first but Nye won the debate with his first point. Scientists have counted 680,000 ice rings in one location alone. We know that one ice ring forms each year. So the earth cannot be only 6,000 years old. The debate was over, and Nye continued to dismantle Ham from there. You can watch the debate from this link. There are plenty of others. Why is this important? Because the scientific education of our children and the scientific literacy of our people is essential to our country's future. Yeah, that guy, Bill Nye, the science educator from the children's TV show. He debated founder of the Creation Museum, 27 million dollar monument to ignorance. The question was whether Ham's creationist model is viable. Ham claims that the earth is only 6,000 years old. Ham spoke first but Nye won the debate with his first point. Scientists have counted 680,000 ice rings in one location alone. We know that one ice ring forms each year. So the earth cannot be only 6,000 years old. The debate was over, and Nye continued to dismantle Ham from there. You can watch the debate from this link. There are plenty of others. Why is this important? Because the scientific education of our children and the scientific literacy of our people is essential to our country's future. Only a few wacko's believe the earth is 6000 years old, it's a non-issue. The majority of wacko's believe the earth and the universe just appeared by magic without intelligent design. Anyone with a functioning brain recognizes the earth as a special place that God created. Evolution was put in place as a means for all God's creatures to develop and evolve into today's world. Anyone who believes the sun, moon, oceans, winds, tides, woodlands, oil and gas reserves, seasons, croplands, oceans teeming with fish, etc. etc. etc. are just a result of good luck, serendipity and happenstance is simply not using his God-given gift of reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Only a few wacko's believe the earth is 6000 years old, it's a non-issue. The majority of wacko's believe the earth and the universe just appeared by magic without intelligent design. Anyone with a functioning brain recognizes the earth as a special place that God created. Evolution was put in place as a means for all God's creatures to develop and evolve into today's world. Anyone who believes the sun, moon, oceans, winds, tides, woodlands, oil and gas reserves, seasons, croplands, oceans teeming with fish, etc. etc. etc. are just a result of good luck, serendipity and happenstance is simply not using his God-given gift of reason. Unfortunately, it's more than a few wackos. Polling data suggest it's about 10% of the population. Some of them teach in our schools, including one particularly notorious wacko teaching in Kearny. They do damage to young minds, and that's no small point. Apparently you think that Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein and most of the world's scientists don't have a brain. They don't believe in what you call God. We've been over the "good luck" and "serendipity" nonsense with you repeatedly but since you're not listening, there's no point in repeating it. Scientists are working very hard to dig deeper and deeper into the mysteries of the universe, and though they haven't answered every question, they have answered many questions, which is more than we can say for theology. Believing in God hasn't added one thing to our fund of knowledge in all the thousands of years of its history. The problem with believing in God as an explanation for things is that you can't explain God. That was the purpose of the topic "who created God," which of course you never answered. Under one of your other names you asked the chicken-or-egg question. Then, when you got the correct answer to that, you broke your promise and didn't tell us who created God. You did claim to know. Unless, of course, someone else makes all the same mistakes using KOTW as you do. When you understand evolution, fractal geometry and other recently discovered disciplines, you begin to see how complexity can indeed arise from simple things. I tried discussing fractal geometry with you a year or two ago but you didn't want to discuss it, which I can understand since you don't know anything about it. As for God, it would be very nice if someone was in charge of everything but it doesn't look that way. If there was a god who had created life, we wouldn't have genetic wastage, sentient creatures wouldn't double as food and we wouldn't have earthquakes, floods, volcanoes and the like. So while you're criticizing scientists for thinking magically, you are in fact the one who is doing that, not them. You have to think magically to believe in God. I don't mind if you want to believe in a god, though there's no evidence for one, but when you say that people who don't agree with you just aren't using reason . . . oh, my. That's like being called ugly by a frog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Only a few wacko's believe the earth is 6000 years old, it's a non-issue. The majority of wacko's believe the earth and the universe just appeared by magic without intelligent design. Anyone with a functioning brain recognizes the earth as a special place that God created. Evolution was put in place as a means for all God's creatures to develop and evolve into today's world. Anyone who believes the sun, moon, oceans, winds, tides, woodlands, oil and gas reserves, seasons, croplands, oceans teeming with fish, etc. etc. etc. are just a result of good luck, serendipity and happenstance is simply not using his God-given gift of reason. So where did God come from? Was he intelligently designed? Who created God? Anyone who believes that the most complex intelligence possible just came from nothing is not using his reasoning powers, no matter where they came from. And if such a high intelligence pre-existed us and consciously designed us, then why did he make children who were so much less intelligent than he supposedly is? Everything you're saying to criticize science is more applicable to your belief in God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 The majority of wacko's believe the earth and the universe just appeared by magic without intelligent design. Anyone with a functioning brain recognizes the earth as a special place that God created. People once thought it was obvious that the Sun revolved around the Earth. After all, you can see it going around, right? Only it's not true. The idea that there must have been a god, to create everything, completely ignores the question of God's origins. If you think about that question honestly, you realize that 2smart4u's argument gets you nowhere. And more than that . . . It's not how nature works. Nature works from the bottom up, not the top down. It doesn't begin with the most complex thing, then go to the simplest and work its way back up. Once you think about it that way, you realize that, while no one can prove whether there is or isn't a god, it doesn't look like there is. Remember, nature had billions of years to get to us. You may think the odds are too long against it but then think about the lottery. The odds against winning it are millions to one, yet every few weeks at most, somebody's numbers come up. No one can understand these things without stepping back from what they want to believe and thinking more scientifically, objectively and logically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 So where did God come from? Was he intelligently designed? Who created God? Anyone who believes that the most complex intelligence possible just came from nothing is not using his reasoning powers, no matter where they came from. And if such a high intelligence pre-existed us and consciously designed us, then why did he make children who were so much less intelligent than he supposedly is? Everything you're saying to criticize science is more applicable to your belief in God. And where did God get the raw materials to make the sun, moon, oceans, etc.? Try explaining that one without resorting to magical thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kearny believer Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Only a few wacko's believe the earth is 6000 years old, it's a non-issue. The majority of wacko's believe the earth and the universe just appeared by magic without intelligent design. Anyone with a functioning brain recognizes the earth as a special place that God created. Evolution was put in place as a means for all God's creatures to develop and evolve into today's world. Anyone who believes the sun, moon, oceans, winds, tides, woodlands, oil and gas reserves, seasons, croplands, oceans teeming with fish, etc. etc. etc. are just a result of good luck, serendipity and happenstance is simply not using his God-given gift of reason. Wow, that was excellent. I feel sad for the atheists that continue to hang on to the ridiculous notion that the universe suddenly appeared by magic. And then, also by magic, this magical universe began to evolve into untold millions of life forms I think it's something in the wiring of their brains that causes atheists to believe in this magical serendipity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Wow, that was excellent. I feel sad for the atheists that continue to hang on to the ridiculous notion that the universe suddenly appeared by magic. And then, also by magic, this magical universe began to evolve into untold millions of life forms I think it's something in the wiring of their brains that causes atheists to believe in this magical serendipity. Only it's not magic. You just don't understand science. And you don't make any more sense under this screen name than you do under any of your other ones. You keep avoiding the question. Who created God? Where and what did God come from? And where did God get the raw materials to make the universe? All you have is magic. Yet you criticize science, which isn't about magic at all. Saying "God did it" doesn't answer anything. Bill Nye was very careful to point out that he wasn't debating the existence of God. He was only stating the scientific fact that the Earth is billions of years old, not 6,000 years old; and he was pointing out that while you're free to believe in a god or gods, it's not science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Only a few wacko's believe the earth is 6000 years old, it's a non-issue. The majority of wacko's believe the earth and the universe just appeared by magic without intelligent design. Anyone with a functioning brain recognizes the earth as a special place that God created. Evolution was put in place as a means for all God's creatures to develop and evolve into today's world. Anyone who believes the sun, moon, oceans, winds, tides, woodlands, oil and gas reserves, seasons, croplands, oceans teeming with fish, etc. etc. etc. are just a result of good luck, serendipity and happenstance is simply not using his God-given gift of reason. "only a few wackos believe the earth is 6000 years old". Even fewer wackos believe the repubs have a future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Only a few wacko's believe the earth is 6000 years old, it's a non-issue. The majority of wacko's believe the earth and the universe just appeared by magic without intelligent design. Anyone with a functioning brain recognizes the earth as a special place that God created. Evolution was put in place as a means for all God's creatures to develop and evolve into today's world. Anyone who believes the sun, moon, oceans, winds, tides, woodlands, oil and gas reserves, seasons, croplands, oceans teeming with fish, etc. etc. etc. are just a result of good luck, serendipity and happenstance is simply not using his God-given gift of reason. Wow, that was excellent. I feel sad for the atheists that continue to hang on to the ridiculous notion that the universe suddenly appeared by magic. And then, also by magic, this magical universe began to evolve into untold millions of life forms I think it's something in the wiring of their brains that causes atheists to believe in this magical serendipity. Oh yeah, excellent. So where did your magical sky-god come from? You know, the one no one has ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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