How can people like 2Stupid4Words not get it?

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Wow..... Watching

A Proud American" and "2smart4U" (and their respective sides) Arguing back and forth reminds me of seeing, say a Rat fighting a Seagull over a chicken Bone.... at the end of the day they're BOTH vermin. APA shrilly screams about "Canned Responses Fox Talking Points" All the while parroting MSNBC. Hypocrisy at it's finest. To be honest ALL of you arguing are a bunch of douchenozzles...brave as hell behind your keyboards.....and BOTH sides demonstrate what is wrong with the country as a whole.

If you can't see the difference between the two, then you're not very bright either. Neither of them is vermin. However, "A Proud American" is coherent, reasoned and supports his opinions with facts. I'll leave it at that.

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If you can't see the difference between the two, then you're not very bright either. Neither of them is vermin. However, "A Proud American" is coherent, reasoned and supports his opinions with facts. I'll leave it at that.

Of course he is...because you are in Lockstep with HIS position. Don't worry i'll be here to point out your hypocrisy to you

[Guest One man's opinion]

Wow..... Watching

A Proud American" and "2smart4U" (and their respective sides) Arguing back and forth reminds me of seeing, say a Rat fighting a Seagull over a chicken Bone.... at the end of the day they're BOTH vermin. APA shrilly screams about "Canned Responses Fox Talking Points" All the while parroting MSNBC. Hypocrisy at it's finest. To be honest ALL of you arguing are a bunch of douchenozzles...brave as hell behind your keyboards.....and BOTH sides demonstrate what is wrong with the country as a whole.

Wow..... Watching

A Proud American" and "2smart4U" (and their respective sides) Arguing back and forth reminds me of seeing, say a Rat fighting a Seagull over a chicken Bone.... at the end of the day they're BOTH vermin. APA shrilly screams about "Canned Responses Fox Talking Points" All the while parroting MSNBC. Hypocrisy at it's finest. To be honest ALL of you arguing are a bunch of douchenozzles...brave as hell behind your keyboards.....and BOTH sides demonstrate what is wrong with the country as a whole.

Well, you're half right. APA is just a white guilter that will never admit that Obama is the worst president in history. 2smart4u is a right wing guy but he doesn't swig the Kool-Aid like APA and most of what he says is true.

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Of course he is...because you are in Lockstep with HIS position. Don't worry i'll be here to point out your hypocrisy to you

No, that's not why. 2Stupid4Words, a/k/a, "Patriot," now a/k/a "One man's opinion," never says anything. I don't know what he (you) swigs but all he spews is right-wing Kool-Aid. Look at what happens any time he (you) is asked to support his opinions, or discuss an issue they don't talk about on Fox. He can't say anything because they haven't told him what to think. He has the intellectual depth of a puddle on a lobby floor, the intellectual curiosity of a goldfish and the intellectual honesty of a snake-oil salesman.

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Well, you're half right. APA is just a white guilter that will never admit that Obama is the worst president in history. 2smart4u is a right wing guy but he doesn't swig the Kool-Aid like APA and most of what he says is true.

"2smart4u" isn't real. He's a character, like Stephen Colbert's TV personality. This character has been making the same mechanical mistakes for years. While the character says things that are dumb enough to be coming from a flaming right winger, no one would be so consistent with his mistakes over so many years. Somebody is just playing.

[Guest A Proud American]

So because I happen to support Obama I should be ashamed? What name do you apply to those who support the Congress who's approval rating is 9%.

While the President isn't perfect he has tried to fix the mess that Junior left us in and apparently you're satisfied with a do nothing Congress who admits to working to make the President a failure. How very sad your lives must be when you think this way. Fortunately you guys are small in mind and even less in thinking.

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In a free enterprise system there will be winners and losers, that's the reality.

Yes it is but as usual there is no depth to your thinking. All you know is the sound of your talking point.

How far would you take the principle of winners and losers in a capitalist society? In a boxing match, a great athlete can be knocked out cold. In poker, the winner can walk away with everyone else's money. In an economic system, what does winning and losing mean?

Does losing mean that even though you've worked hard and contributed to your company and to society, you can't make ends meet? Does it mean that even though you've done exactly what you were told to do, followed all the laws and worked full time, you and your kids still starve because you don't earn enough money to feed your family? That's exactly what it will mean if the United States continues on the road of income redistribution we have been on since Reagan took office.

What does winning mean? Does it mean that you're allowed to accumulate so much wealth that you never have to work another day, you just use your money to make more money? What happened to the ideas of incentive and innovation? Does it mean that you can corner a market, then charge whatever you like for your commodity? Look at what has happened to air fares just in the past few years, as the airlines have merged. Prices have risen markedly because there isn't enough competition. The winners were allowed to take the whole prize.

Remember, the people who push the ideas you're pushing are among the so-called winners. They haven't necessarily contributed anything to our national wealth, they've just made a lot of money in a system that has become corrupt. (Don't think for a second that the laws don't have a lot to do with who accumulates and keeps wealth.) Of course they're going to tell you what a wonderful system we have. But that's their self-interest talking. It's not what's best for our country or for the principles of true free enterprise as espoused by Adam Smith, who wrote The Wealth of Nations in 1776. Smith strongly opposed vast accumulations of wealth because he knew that they undermine true free enterprise.

You're not for free enterprise at all. You only think you are because you're 2stupid to realize that greedy, self-serving people are playing you to help them achieve their own ends.

Not that any of this will matter to you at all. You haven't really though about anything in years, maybe decades, if you ever did. You think you have all the answers but you don't understand the first thing about how economies work. All you know are the talking points that have been fed to you by the people you're helping to strangle the rest of us, and destroy our country.

[Guest 2smart4u]

Yes it is but as usual there is no depth to your thinking. All you know is the sound of your talking point.

How far would you take the principle of winners and losers in a capitalist society? In a boxing match, a great athlete can be knocked out cold. In poker, the winner can walk away with everyone else's money. In an economic system, what does winning and losing mean?

Does losing mean that even though you've worked hard and contributed to your company and to society, you can't make ends meet? Does it mean that even though you've done exactly what you were told to do, followed all the laws and worked full time, you and your kids still starve because you don't earn enough money to feed your family? That's exactly what it will mean if the United States continues on the road of income redistribution we have been on since Reagan took office.

What does winning mean? Does it mean that you're allowed to accumulate so much wealth that you never have to work another day, you just use your money to make more money? What happened to the ideas of incentive and innovation? Does it mean that you can corner a market, then charge whatever you like for your commodity? Look at what has happened to air fares just in the past few years, as the airlines have merged. Prices have risen markedly because there isn't enough competition. The winners were allowed to take the whole prize.

Remember, the people who push the ideas you're pushing are among the so-called winners. They haven't necessarily contributed anything to our national wealth, they've just made a lot of money in a system that has become corrupt. (Don't think for a second that the laws don't have a lot to do with who accumulates and keeps wealth.) Of course they're going to tell you what a wonderful system we have. But that's their self-interest talking. It's not what's best for our country or for the principles of true free enterprise as espoused by Adam Smith, who wrote The Wealth of Nations in 1776. Smith strongly opposed vast accumulations of wealth because he knew that they undermine true free enterprise.

You're not for free enterprise at all. You only think you are because you're 2stupid to realize that greedy, self-serving people are playing you to help them achieve their own ends.

Not that any of this will matter to you at all. You haven't really though about anything in years, maybe decades, if you ever did. You think you have all the answers but you don't understand the first thing about how economies work. All you know are the talking points that have been fed to you by the people you're helping to strangle the rest of us, and destroy our country.

What a load of crap. The wealthy pay 90% of all taxes, the wealthy do all the hiring, the wealthy create all the jobs, this country was build on individual wealth.

When was the last time a poor person hired someone. Open your eyes Dummy. You will go as far as your abilities will take you, not everyone can be a Steve

Jobs or a Bill Gates.

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Remember, the people who push the ideas you're pushing are among the so-called winners. They haven't necessarily contributed anything to our national wealth, they've just made a lot of money in a system that has become corrupt. (Don't think for a second that the laws don't have a lot to do with who accumulates and keeps wealth.) Of course they're going to tell you what a wonderful system we have. But that's their self-interest talking. It's not what's best for our country or for the principles of true free enterprise as espoused by Adam Smith, who wrote The Wealth of Nations in 1776. Smith strongly opposed vast accumulations of wealth because he knew that they undermine true free enterprise.

In fact, over the past few decades, the biggest winners (bankers, hedge fund managers, CEOs of major companies) have done more damage to our economy than good. They went for the big killing, and in so doing they destabilized the economy, leading to the disaster of 2008. Meanwhile, they insulated themselves from loss: the bankers got bailed out, the hedge fund managers leveraged a crooked system and the CEOs got multi-million dollar golden parachutes for tanking their companies. They've successfully lobbied for favorable laws that have allowed them to do this, eliminating every useful feature of capitalism. They've socialized loss but kept their gains private: in other words, if they succeed they keep the profits but if they fail, we pick up the tab and bail them out.

It's amazing that people like 2dim can't see this. You pretty much have to be blind or a complete idiot not to.

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What a load of crap. The wealthy pay 90% of all taxes, the wealthy do all the hiring, the wealthy create all the jobs, this country was build on individual wealth.

When was the last time a poor person hired someone. Open your eyes Dummy. You will go as far as your abilities will take you, not everyone can be a Steve

Jobs or a Bill Gates.

You don't know what you're talking about. This country was built on the backs of working people. The wealthy became that way because of them. By definition, no country does well for its people unless the wealth is distributed so that most people do well. More important, though, what has happened in the United States has undermined the foundations of free enterprise itself. We've rigged the game so that the already-rich win. That is not how the system was intended to work. If you truly value capitalism, then wake up. It's being destroyed by the very people who tell you how much they love it.

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What a load of crap. The wealthy pay 90% of all taxes, the wealthy do all the hiring, the wealthy create all the jobs, this country was build on individual wealth.

When was the last time a poor person hired someone. Open your eyes Dummy. You will go as far as your abilities will take you, not everyone can be a Steve

Jobs or a Bill Gates.

You are so stupid! We have technologies today that have completely changed labor markets worldwide, to the point, if we assume a forty-hour workweek for those who are employed, that billions of people aren't needed for anything. Robots have replaced workers in factories all over the world. If we just let the markets dictate the solution, billions of competent, hard-working people will starve. That will include probably about 100 million people in the United States.

Take it from there, moron. If you could make national policy, what would you do about this problem?

[Guest A Proud American]

In an effort to set the record straight, before I post a response to some of the less intelligent and closed minded people, I research the issue. I don't need MSNBC or Republican TV to tell me something. The people on these show, at the end of the day are entertainer's.

To prove my point, do some research on who actually started the free phone program and what year it actually started. You might be surprised.

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Income has been redistributed over the past 35-40 years, with ever increasing concentrations of wealth going to the top fraction of 1%. Our major problems - energy, infrastructure, education and many more - are being ignored for decades running. Meanwhile, people in the middle and lower classes have been struggling more and more to get by. Unless they have a pension, people are finding they need to continue to work longer before they can retire. A college education is harder to afford. A lower percentage of people can afford a house, and many of them are in debt up to their eyebrows. Young people with college educations can't get jobs, or if they do it's a job waiting tables or flipping burgers.

You must have noticed that this was happening. It affects your bank account and your ability to have a decent life as you get older.

Who benefits from this shift in income and wealth? The top few, like the hedge fund managers and corporate executives. What do they add to the economy? The hedge fund managers don't add anything, in fact they probably do more harm than good. A good company manager can make a company more efficient but there's no reason for a CEO of a failing company to receive a multi-million dollar golden parachute for driving a company into bankruptcy. Yet they do.

So why is it happening? The game has been rigged. A few people and powerful interests have bought the government.

What have the people done? They've helped them do it. Most people - I hate to say it - are too stupid to realize that the interest groups are manipulating them. The media are corporate owned. They have no problem with the game being rigged against the average person, in fact they love it.

How do the interest groups manipulate the people? They tell us that the government is the problem. It's an easy line to sell, especially when the government is corrupt - but it's corrupt because they control it! And day after day they tell us what we want to hear - some piece of trivia that feeds the prejudices of the uninformed but has little or nothing to do with our futures.

Idiots like 2Stupid4Words hear the talking point of the day from Fox, Limbaugh and the entire right wing echo chamber, they tell their friends, post it on Facebook and open topics on KOTW. And their idiot friends who are as dumb as they are nod in agreement.

Meanwhile, nothing gets solved. The corruption never gets rooted out, in fact it keeps getting worse. The real problems never get addressed. And the interest groups keep on gaining more and more wealth and power, making it harder and harder for us to dig out of the hole. Gee, I wonder why.

If you analyze a problem intelligently, right wing idiots have only snotty one-liners in response. They never say anything because - it comes back to the same point - they're not interested in the truth.

[Guest 2smart4u]

If you analyze a problem intelligently, right wing idiots have only snotty one-liners in response. They never say anything because - it comes back to the same point - they're not interested in the truth.

Apparently you don't know (or choose to ignore) the median family income has dropped almost $4,000.00 since zerO has been pretending to be our president.

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Apparently you don't know (or choose to ignore) the median family income has dropped almost $4,000.00 since zerO has been pretending to be our president.

Stupid, you ignore the fact that the stagnation of middle-class incomes is a long-term trend, and that the economy nearly collapsed in 2008 because Bush gave tax cuts to his rich friends and did nothing to stabilize volatile markets. You also ignore the fact that we have no national policy to address the global economy. And that we are still reeling from the disastrous effects of the worst economic meltdown in the US since the Great Depression, from which the country didn't recover until World War II (perversely) invigorated the economy with government purchases for necessary defense spending. President Obama has proposed several job-creation bills, which the Republicans immediately killed.

So you just proved the point again: you give a one-line snotty response that ignores most of the facts, and the entire context in which all of this is happening. The 1% don't care that the middle class isn't doing well. And they get political help from idiots like you who swallow their right-wing ideology whole and vote for their candidates, who only continue the policies that caused the problem in the first place.

Let's see how many of the key issues you addressed.

Our problems are decades old.

A few on top benefit while most of us tighten our belts more and more.

We've built a paper economy that encourages speculation in the markets but does not add real value to the economy. For example, the stock market is at an all-time high, yet the middle class isn't getting any of the benefit.

The political system has been rigged in favor of the wealthy.

And idiots like you help the 1% consolidate their power by voting for right wingers who only give more power to people who already have too much.

Which of these points did you address? None of them.

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Stupid, you ignore the fact that the stagnation of middle-class incomes is a long-term trend, and that the economy nearly collapsed in 2008 because Bush gave tax cuts to his rich friends and did nothing to stabilize volatile markets. You also ignore the fact that we have no national policy to address the global economy. And that we are still reeling from the disastrous effects of the worst economic meltdown in the US since the Great Depression, from which the country didn't recover until World War II (perversely) invigorated the economy with government purchases for necessary defense spending. President Obama has proposed several job-creation bills, which the Republicans immediately killed.

So you just proved the point again: you give a one-line snotty response that ignores most of the facts, and the entire context in which all of this is happening. The 1% don't care that the middle class isn't doing well. And they get political help from idiots like you who swallow their right-wing ideology whole and vote for their candidates, who only continue the policies that caused the problem in the first place.

Let's see how many of the key issues you addressed.

Our problems are decades old.

A few on top benefit while most of us tighten our belts more and more.

We've built a paper economy that encourages speculation in the markets but does not add real value to the economy. For example, the stock market is at an all-time high, yet the middle class isn't getting any of the benefit.

The political system has been rigged in favor of the wealthy.

And idiots like you help the 1% consolidate their power by voting for right wingers who only give more power to people who already have too much.

Which of these points did you address? None of them.

Duh !! You complain about all the things wrong with this country. Yet you voted for zerO who did not raise a finger to correct any of them. Wake up dummy..

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Stupid, you ignore the fact that the stagnation of middle-class incomes is a long-term trend, and that the economy nearly collapsed in 2008 because Bush gave tax cuts to his rich friends and did nothing to stabilize volatile markets. You also ignore the fact that we have no national policy to address the global economy. And that we are still reeling from the disastrous effects of the worst economic meltdown in the US since the Great Depression, from which the country didn't recover until World War II (perversely) invigorated the economy with government purchases for necessary defense spending. President Obama has proposed several job-creation bills, which the Republicans immediately killed.

So you just proved the point again: you give a one-line snotty response that ignores most of the facts, and the entire context in which all of this is happening. The 1% don't care that the middle class isn't doing well. And they get political help from idiots like you who swallow their right-wing ideology whole and vote for their candidates, who only continue the policies that caused the problem in the first place.

Let's see how many of the key issues you addressed.

Our problems are decades old.

A few on top benefit while most of us tighten our belts more and more.

We've built a paper economy that encourages speculation in the markets but does not add real value to the economy. For example, the stock market is at an all-time high, yet the middle class isn't getting any of the benefit.

The political system has been rigged in favor of the wealthy.

And idiots like you help the 1% consolidate their power by voting for right wingers who only give more power to people who already have too much.

Which of these points did you address? None of them.

Or (2dim) instead of your daily foaming-at-the-mouth rant against President Obama, you could act a little bit like a concerned citizen and discuss what we should do about these problems, both now and under the next President, whoever that may be.