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Income has been redistributed over the past 35-40 years, with ever increasing concentrations of wealth going to the top fraction of 1%. Our major problems - energy, infrastructure, education and many more - are being ignored for decades running. Meanwhile, people in the middle and lower classes have been struggling more and more to get by. Unless they have a pension, people are finding they need to continue to work longer before they can retire. A college education is harder to afford. A lower percentage of people can afford a house, and many of them are in debt up to their eyebrows. Young people with college educations can't get jobs, or if they do it's a job waiting tables or flipping burgers.

You must have noticed that this was happening. It affects your bank account and your ability to have a decent life as you get older.

Who benefits from this shift in income and wealth? The top few, like the hedge fund managers and corporate executives. What do they add to the economy? The hedge fund managers don't add anything, in fact they probably do more harm than good. A good company manager can make a company more efficient but there's no reason for a CEO of a failing company to receive a multi-million dollar golden parachute for driving a company into bankruptcy. Yet they do.

So why is it happening? The game has been rigged. A few people and powerful interests have bought the government.

What have the people done? They've helped them do it. Most people - I hate to say it - are too stupid to realize that the interest groups are manipulating them. The media are corporate owned. They have no problem with the game being rigged against the average person, in fact they love it.

How do the interest groups manipulate the people? They tell us that the government is the problem. It's an easy line to sell, especially when the government is corrupt - but it's corrupt because they control it! And day after day they tell us what we want to hear - some piece of trivia that feeds the prejudices of the uninformed but has little or nothing to do with our futures.

Idiots like 2Stupid4Words hear the talking point of the day from Fox, Limbaugh and the entire right wing echo chamber, they tell their friends, post it on Facebook and open topics on KOTW. And their idiot friends who are as dumb as they are nod in agreement.

Meanwhile, nothing gets solved. The corruption never gets rooted out, in fact it keeps getting worse. The real problems never get addressed. And the interest groups keep on gaining more and more wealth and power, making it harder and harder for us to dig out of the hole. Gee, I wonder why.

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Income has been redistributed over the past 35-40 years, with ever increasing concentrations of wealth going to the top fraction of 1%. Our major problems - energy, infrastructure, education and many more - are being ignored for decades running. Meanwhile, people in the middle and lower classes have been struggling more and more to get by. Unless they have a pension, people are finding they need to continue to work longer before they can retire. A college education is harder to afford. A lower percentage of people can afford a house, and many of them are in debt up to their eyebrows. Young people with college educations can't get jobs, or if they do it's a job waiting tables or flipping burgers.

You must have noticed that this was happening. It affects your bank account and your ability to have a decent life as you get older.

Who benefits from this shift in income and wealth? The top few, like the hedge fund managers and corporate executives. What do they add to the economy? The hedge fund managers don't add anything, in fact they probably do more harm than good. A good company manager can make a company more efficient but there's no reason for a CEO of a failing company to receive a multi-million dollar golden parachute for driving a company into bankruptcy. Yet they do.

So why is it happening? The game has been rigged. A few people and powerful interests have bought the government.

What have the people done? They've helped them do it. Most people - I hate to say it - are too stupid to realize that the interest groups are manipulating them. The media are corporate owned. They have no problem with the game being rigged against the average person, in fact they love it.

How do the interest groups manipulate the people? They tell us that the government is the problem. It's an easy line to sell, especially when the government is corrupt - but it's corrupt because they control it! And day after day they tell us what we want to hear - some piece of trivia that feeds the prejudices of the uninformed but has little or nothing to do with our futures.

Idiots like 2Stupid4Words hear the talking point of the day from Fox, Limbaugh and the entire right wing echo chamber, they tell their friends, post it on Facebook and open topics on KOTW. And their idiot friends who are as dumb as they are nod in agreement.

Meanwhile, nothing gets solved. The corruption never gets rooted out, in fact it keeps getting worse. The real problems never get addressed. And the interest groups keep on gaining more and more wealth and power, making it harder and harder for us to dig out of the hole. Gee, I wonder why.

You poor pathetic idiot. The answer to all the issues you raise is Free Enterprise. If zerO would get the government's paws out of the job market and cut the

corporate tax rate like Reagan did, you'd see job openings exploding in America. But zerO wants a European style nanny state with everything run by the federal government. As long as we have that incompetent POS pretending to be in charge, this country's going nowhere.

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You are exactly right on every point. We get sold a bill of goods and are told it's in our best interest. For over 30 years we've been told trickle down economics is good for the country. Except nothing but lower wages and benefits has been the norm.

Please keep posting because maybe these tin hat people will finally understand that they are the problem. One could only hope.

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You poor pathetic idiot. The answer to all the issues you raise is Free Enterprise. If zerO would get the government's paws out of the job market and cut the

corporate tax rate like Reagan did, you'd see job openings exploding in America. But zerO wants a European style nanny state with everything run by the federal government. As long as we have that incompetent POS pretending to be in charge, this country's going nowhere.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's amazing. You really are stupid enough to think that the emergence of capitalism in China, robotics and advancing technologies in a global economy don't matter. They've changed the entire world economy, you idiot, including ours.

As for income redistribution, take a look at the statistics since Reagan got his way with the economy. That's when the middle class started losing ground. That doesn't fit with the fairy tale you're going to tell regardless of the facts, but that is what has happened. Look at the numbers over the past 33 years. An increasing share of wealth is now in the hands of obscenely rich people who aren't even adding anything to our economy. They're either skimming the profits off the top with their hedge fund schemes or shipping what used to be American jobs overseas.

Or do you really believe that government isn't bought and paid for by the rich? What makes you think that if we turn complete control over to them, we're going to be better off? Are you really so stupid as to think that the rich are going to hand you their wealth? Or their power? They're not going to employ you. They don't need you, stupid. They have Chinese workers, and if that market closes, they can go to India. Wake up.

Does that mean we should become a socialist country? Hell no. But it does mean that we have to figure out, as a nation, how to handle these changes. We need banking regulations to make sure that the banks don't engage in the kind of speculation that caused the near-collapse of 2008. We need to figure out a way to bring back our industrial base. That means we have to do some national planning as a nation, so we can have a system that encourages work and real free enterprise, not this "too big to fail" corporate socialism. All pure capitalism will do is send our jobs and our factories to China. How do we know that's what they'll do? Because labor is cheaper in China, and they don't seem to mind making their air unfit to breathe and their water unfit to drink. I would like to live in a country where we can breathe clean air and drink clean water, even if that isn't the most "efficient" business solution.

Pathetic is the right word. You just didn't direct it to the right person. Look in the mirror.

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You poor pathetic idiot. The answer to all the issues you raise is Free Enterprise. If zerO would get the government's paws out of the job market and cut the

corporate tax rate like Reagan did, you'd see job openings exploding in America. But zerO wants a European style nanny state with everything run by the federal government. As long as we have that incompetent POS pretending to be in charge, this country's going nowhere.

You're crazy! We wouldn't elect Romney to run the country. You think he should run the whole world. What ARE you smoking?

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You have no idea what you're talking about. It's amazing. You really are stupid enough to think that the emergence of capitalism in China, robotics and advancing technologies in a global economy don't matter. They've changed the entire world economy, you idiot, including ours.

As for income redistribution, take a look at the statistics since Reagan got his way with the economy. That's when the middle class started losing ground. That doesn't fit with the fairy tale you're going to tell regardless of the facts, but that is what has happened. Look at the numbers over the past 33 years. An increasing share of wealth is now in the hands of obscenely rich people who aren't even adding anything to our economy. They're either skimming the profits off the top with their hedge fund schemes or shipping what used to be American jobs overseas.

Or do you really believe that government isn't bought and paid for by the rich? What makes you think that if we turn complete control over to them, we're going to be better off? Are you really so stupid as to think that the rich are going to hand you their wealth? Or their power? They're not going to employ you. They don't need you, stupid. They have Chinese workers, and if that market closes, they can go to India. Wake up.

Does that mean we should become a socialist country? Hell no. But it does mean that we have to figure out, as a nation, how to handle these changes. We need banking regulations to make sure that the banks don't engage in the kind of speculation that caused the near-collapse of 2008. We need to figure out a way to bring back our industrial base. That means we have to do some national planning as a nation, so we can have a system that encourages work and real free enterprise, not this "too big to fail" corporate socialism. All pure capitalism will do is send our jobs and our factories to China. How do we know that's what they'll do? Because labor is cheaper in China, and they don't seem to mind making their air unfit to breathe and their water unfit to drink. I would like to live in a country where we can breathe clean air and drink clean water, even if that isn't the most "efficient" business solution.

Pathetic is the right word. You just didn't direct it to the right person. Look in the mirror.

OH! What an ass-kickin'! Unfortunately, it's all true.

You should pay attention, "2smart4u." You're missing all kinds of things. In fact, you have the depth of a little puddle of water on a lobby floor.

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The Free Enterprise system and the people who use the phrase sounds good. Except, their definition needs further study. As I understand it , the free enterprise system means that a company or business owner either makes a profit or goes out of business. So lets look at the free enterprise system in the USA.

The Oil Industry gets tax relief, we bail out the banks, we subsidize corporate farmers and milk producers. And we bailed out the auto industry. AIG, one of the largest Insurance Companies got 20 billion in loans. So do we truly have a free enterprise system?

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The Free Enterprise system and the people who use the phrase sounds good. Except, their definition needs further study. As I understand it , the free enterprise system means that a company or business owner either makes a profit or goes out of business. So lets look at the free enterprise system in the USA.

The Oil Industry gets tax relief, we bail out the banks, we subsidize corporate farmers and milk producers. And we bailed out the auto industry. AIG, one of the largest Insurance Companies got 20 billion in loans. So do we truly have a free enterprise system?

Apples and oranges, moron.

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Apples and oranges that's all you have? And you call me moron.

Does that surprise you? 2Stupid4Words is one of those people who thinks he knows everything, never bothers to educate himself about anything, and refuses even to consider that there might be things he doesn't know - like just about everything. That's why his "responses" are short and stupid. He thinks that if HE responds, he has squashed every point you've made.

No, he really thinks that. Hard to believe, ain't it.

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You poor pathetic idiot. The answer to all the issues you raise is Free Enterprise. If zerO would get the government's paws out of the job market and cut the

corporate tax rate like Reagan did, you'd see job openings exploding in America. But zerO wants a European style nanny state with everything run by the federal government. As long as we have that incompetent POS pretending to be in charge, this country's going nowhere.

Ah, yes, the angry white American redneck male. Stubborn, opinionated, ignorant and proud of it - until you point out the fact, and he gets mad that you call him what he is. He's too lazy to research the facts and too arrogant to imagine that he might need to know them. If the Framers had foreseen people like this, it's doubtful that they would have adopted the form of government they did.

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You poor pathetic idiot. The answer to all the issues you raise is Free Enterprise. If zerO would get the government's paws out of the job market and cut the

corporate tax rate like Reagan did, you'd see job openings exploding in America. But zerO wants a European style nanny state with everything run by the federal government. As long as we have that incompetent POS pretending to be in charge, this country's going nowhere.

The statement was: "Income has been redistributed over the past 35-40 years, with ever increasing concentrations of wealth going to the top fraction of 1%. Our major problems - energy, infrastructure, education and many more - are being ignored for decades running. Meanwhile, people in the middle and lower classes have been struggling more and more to get by. Unless they have a pension, people are finding they need to continue to work longer before they can retire. A college education is harder to afford. A lower percentage of people can afford a house, and many of them are in debt up to their eyebrows. Young people with college educations can't get jobs, or if they do it's a job waiting tables or flipping burgers."

So 2Stupid4Words thinks "Free Enterprise" is the solution to income inequality. It's exactly the opposite: free enterprise creates income inequality. That's OK to a point because free enterprise can encourage people to work hard and innovate. Some people will work hard, innovate and achieve more than others. That's where the free enterprise system works. But it's not a perfect system. Once someone accumulates a large fortune, he can use money to make more money. That's also OK to a point but it begins to fall apart as fortunes become very large. Think of someone who has a net wealth of tens of millions of dollars or more: they can leverage the system, and draw wealth out of the economy without putting anything back into it. Anyone who has ever played the board game Monopoly has some idea how this works. And if you actually read books or reputable scholarly articles on economics, it's Econ 101. Since Reagan made the laws more favorable to the rich, we've seen the middle class decline and wealth shift to an ever smaller number of people. Our history since Reagan proves this his approach results in excessive concentrations of wealth, at the expense of 99% of us.

"Free Enterprise" won't address our long-term energy needs either. The oil companies are making too much money selling oil. They don't want solar, wind or ocean tide energy, because the sun, the wind and the ocean tides can't be owned the way oil and gas can be. This is a case where the so-called free enterprise system works against innovation, economic progress and social responsibility.

"Free Enterprise" won't rebuild our infrastructure: our bridges, our roads, our railway system, etc. Those are public. "Free Enterprise" didn't create them, doesn't maintain them and won't upgrade them. It has nothing to do with them.

I could go on but what's the point? 2Stupid4Words doesn't think. He only spits out talking points, parroting what other people have told him to think. That's why he doesn't make any sense. Beating up on him isn't the point. The point is that we all need to understand the issues that will shape our future, and the future of generations to come, including our children and grandchildren.

And the point isn't to trash real free enterprise either. It's to point out where its limits are, and what we can do about them.

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The statement was: "Income has been redistributed over the past 35-40 years, with ever increasing concentrations of wealth going to the top fraction of 1%. Our major problems - energy, infrastructure, education and many more - are being ignored for decades running. Meanwhile, people in the middle and lower classes have been struggling more and more to get by. Unless they have a pension, people are finding they need to continue to work longer before they can retire. A college education is harder to afford. A lower percentage of people can afford a house, and many of them are in debt up to their eyebrows. Young people with college educations can't get jobs, or if they do it's a job waiting tables or flipping burgers."

So 2Stupid4Words thinks "Free Enterprise" is the solution to income inequality. It's exactly the opposite: free enterprise creates income inequality. That's OK to a point because free enterprise can encourage people to work hard and innovate. Some people will work hard, innovate and achieve more than others. That's where the free enterprise system works. But it's not a perfect system. Once someone accumulates a large fortune, he can use money to make more money. That's also OK to a point but it begins to fall apart as fortunes become very large. Think of someone who has a net wealth of tens of millions of dollars or more: they can leverage the system, and draw wealth out of the economy without putting anything back into it. Anyone who has ever played the board game Monopoly has some idea how this works. And if you actually read books or reputable scholarly articles on economics, it's Econ 101. Since Reagan made the laws more favorable to the rich, we've seen the middle class decline and wealth shift to an ever smaller number of people. Our history since Reagan proves this his approach results in excessive concentrations of wealth, at the expense of 99% of us.

"Free Enterprise" won't address our long-term energy needs either. The oil companies are making too much money selling oil. They don't want solar, wind or ocean tide energy, because the sun, the wind and the ocean tides can't be owned the way oil and gas can be. This is a case where the so-called free enterprise system works against innovation, economic progress and social responsibility.

"Free Enterprise" won't rebuild our infrastructure: our bridges, our roads, our railway system, etc. Those are public. "Free Enterprise" didn't create them, doesn't maintain them and won't upgrade them. It has nothing to do with them.

I could go on but what's the point? 2Stupid4Words doesn't think. He only spits out talking points, parroting what other people have told him to think. That's why he doesn't make any sense. Beating up on him isn't the point. The point is that we all need to understand the issues that will shape our future, and the future of generations to come, including our children and grandchildren.

And the point isn't to trash real free enterprise either. It's to point out where its limits are, and what we can do about them.

Spoken like a true Kool-Aid swigging socialist. In a free enterprise system there will be winners and losers, that's the reality. Income redistribution is nothing

more than theft, stealing from the honest, hard-working people and giving it to the lazy, drug-addicted, uneducated sloths in society. There's something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks that's a condition that should be encouraged and accepted in America. It sounds to me that you're one of the sloths that's content

to sit in front of the TV with a six-pack and let someone else take care of you.

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Spoken like a true Kool-Aid swigging socialist. In a free enterprise system there will be winners and losers, that's the reality. Income redistribution is nothing

more than theft, stealing from the honest, hard-working people and giving it to the lazy, drug-addicted, uneducated sloths in society. There's something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks that's a condition that should be encouraged and accepted in America. It sounds to me that you're one of the sloths that's content

to sit in front of the TV with a six-pack and let someone else take care of you.

You didn't understand a single word of the post you thought you were commenting on. Income redistribution is what has been happening under what you call "free enterprise." You know, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. That's income redistribution. It's a result of the way we've set up the laws to support your so-called "free enterprise" system, where the rich control the government, and companies that are "too big to fail" get bailed out by us taxpayers when their irresponsibility causes them to crash. It's a result of Reaganomics, D**bA**. And here you are, cheering them on, voting for the people who are doing the most damage to our future. It's theft, alright, and you're helping them do it. And you're too stupid to realize or too stubborn to admit that real free enterprise is in short supply these days.

I made your point about winners and losers before you did, and I also pointed out that it can be a good thing or a bad thing. But all you can see is your far-right ideology, so you assume that I am an ideologue, just like you but on the other side. Only I'm not; you're so buried in your ideology that you can't see anything else. And of course you don't touch energy and infrastructure because your little pea brain thinks that if you make a comeback, no matter how impertinent or how stupid, you've laid it all to rest. You don't even touch the point about how too much wealth in the hands of one or a few undermines the basis of the free enterprise system: hard work and incentive to innovate. These are real issues. This is not a game. It's about our future. All you have are talking points that you don't even understand.

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Even the Pope recognizes that economics have changed. Recently he called unfettered capitalism “a new tyranny.” Notice, he refers not to capitalism in general but to unfettered capitalism. Notice also that he says its tyranny is new. He is recognizing that in a global economy, with huge international corporations, the world is at risk of being under their thumbs. A great danger we face in the United States is that we are so enamored of capitalism that we could fail to see how much it has changed, and that these changes demand new responses from us. Anyone who thinks that "lazy, drug-addicted, uneducated sloths" are our only problem isn't paying attention, or simply refuses to see the obvious.

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The money isn't being stolen by the lazy, uneducated, drug addicted persons who sit by the television. The system has allowed the income for the wealthy to rise by 260% while the rest of us have seen our incomes either stay the same or drop.This is the direct result of trickle down economics. But because you subscribe to the Limbaugh theory of economics you don't understand that it doesn't work that way. It works for them, but at your expense. Too bad you can't see it.

There are educated people who worked for Corporations their whole life that have been replaced by cheaper, younger people at half the salary. Perhaps someday some executive is going to look at you and realize you're expendable. Then you'll understand that they've played you like a fool.

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When are people like 2dim going to get it through their thick skulls that the biggest corporations are now huge, far bigger than ever before, and therefore are powerful beyond any previous measure. They are more powerful than most governments. In fact, they can dictate to every government on earth, because they can demand favorable policies, and take their operations to whichever country is willing to give them whatever they want. They play elected governments against each other, replacing the will of the people in the respective countries with pure greed. They are not in business to make us happy but to make profits. They will grab every bit of power they can get, and they are doing it. As a result, governments are now limited in what they can do to control unfettered corporate power. Making matters worse, nearly half of our people are still living in the past, imagining that the corporations are like mom-and-pop stores. They're being told by friendly corporate-owned media, especially but not only Fox, that these corporations are our job-creators. Problem is, for us in the USA, those jobs are being created in China and India. Yet all we hear is the same old song about taxes and regulations, long after most social programs have been cut to the bone. Who would put out a line of propaganda like that? The big corporations, which benefit from the resulting political inaction.

2dim ignores all of this, then makes fun of people who don't agree with him. Imagining that today's version of "free enterprise" will make or keep us free ignores the realities of today's world. He can't seem to figure out that he is being used as a dupe for corporate interests, and grifted. That wouldn't be anyone else's concern except he and millions of others like him are taking the rest of us down with them.

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. . . giving it to the lazy, drug-addicted, uneducated sloths in society.

Well, then, the persistently high unemployment rate can't be President Obama's fault, now can it. After all, if the problem is due to lazy, drug-addicted sloths, that's not his fault.

Or maybe you're saying that on September 15, 2008, when the economy tanked, millions of people who had been working before suddenly decided not to work anymore.

Which of your ignorant prejudices will you be pushing tomorrow?

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Spoken like a true Kool-Aid swigging socialist. In a free enterprise system there will be winners and losers, that's the reality. Income redistribution is nothing

more than theft, stealing from the honest, hard-working people and giving it to the lazy, drug-addicted, uneducated sloths in society. There's something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks that's a condition that should be encouraged and accepted in America. It sounds to me that you're one of the sloths that's content

to sit in front of the TV with a six-pack and let someone else take care of you.

We were a better country before willfully ignorant, arrogant and stupid became OK.

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Spoken like a true Kool-Aid swigging socialist. In a free enterprise system there will be winners and losers, that's the reality. Income redistribution is nothing

more than theft, stealing from the honest, hard-working people and giving it to the lazy, drug-addicted, uneducated sloths in society. There's something seriously wrong with anyone who thinks that's a condition that should be encouraged and accepted in America. It sounds to me that you're one of the sloths that's content

to sit in front of the TV with a six-pack and let someone else take care of you.

This dimwit thinks that maybe 1% of people who want to stay home and live on public assistance control the economy.

Idiot, you're willing to hold up an entire national economy because you're upset that some poor dumb schlubs take advantage of the system. While you're worried about them stealing thousands, the fat cats are ripping us all off by the trillions.

MORON!

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Wow..... Watching
A Proud American" and "2smart4U" (and their respective sides) Arguing back and forth reminds me of seeing, say a Rat fighting a Seagull over a chicken Bone.... at the end of the day they're BOTH vermin. APA shrilly screams about "Canned Responses Fox Talking Points" All the while parroting MSNBC. Hypocrisy at it's finest. To be honest ALL of you arguing are a bunch of douchenozzles...brave as hell behind your keyboards.....and BOTH sides demonstrate what is wrong with the country as a whole.

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