Religion is slowly killing this great country

[Bryan]

Thank you for summing it up so succinctly, Paul. I tried to walk Bryan through the basics of naturalism as the core methodology for science, and he kept whining about how I wasn't leaving room for anything "supernatural" in science.

Eventually, I gave up on him. Some skulls are just too thick, you know?

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Nothing Einstein ever wrote can excuse your ridiculous notion that acausal events are amenable to scientific explanation.

Pretty funny that you're grasping Paul's equally ridiculous statement as a life-preserver.

Too late, Calybos. Your argument was sank like a stone already. Paul invokes Einsteins as a distraction, probably meant to play to the crowd; Einstein offered nothing that enables science to provide explanations of acausal events.

Causality, which appears to be a cornerstone of Newtonian physics, becomes routed by relativity (which suggests causes and effects may be simultaneous in different frames of reference - time doesn't always "flow" at the same rate), quantum physics (which suggests a deep acausal nature to events at the quantum level), and chaos theory (which suggests that through feedback, causes become effects, and vice versa, making them impossible to isolate.)

Hume and other philosophers have seen causality as a fundamental aspect of the cosmos, and today scientists seem hard-pressed to conceive of how physical laws might exist without it. Still, their own models suggest that it breaks down at the point of the singularity (the center of a black hole) and thus is not operative everywhere... anyway!

http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/paradigms.html

Paul erred in thinking that I assume a linear universe.

You erred in thinking that Paul had somehow atoned for the stupidity you put in cyberprint earlier on.

[Strife767]

No, I expressed skepticism that you could define "natural" so that it excluded a god that exists in reality.

So you are skeptical that "natural" can be defined without including the concept of a god (yeah, you didn't write "that exists in reality" before, you dishonest so-and-so). Therefore, you are obviously inclined toward the concept of a god being a natural concept.

Tell me again how that is different from me stating that you feel the concept of a god is not supernatural?

[Bryan]

So you are skeptical that "natural" can be defined without including the concept of a god (yeah, you didn't write "that exists in reality" before, you dishonest so-and-so).

Good grief. It was implicit the first time. Why would something that doesn't exist be natural?

Sue me for spelling it out in greater clarity.

Therefore, you are obviously inclined toward the concept of a god being a natural concept.

Apparently you still don't realize that argumentum ad ignorantiam is a fallacy.

I assure you that I realize that it is a fallacy. You commit the fallacy frequently. I am rather more careful.

I'll thank you not to assume that I would commit the same logical fallacies that you would commit in my place.

Tell me again how that is different from me stating that you feel the concept of a god is not supernatural?

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I don't know, and it is immaterial since I do not hold to either position.

God--even an existing God--can be described as "supernatural" depending on how the term is defined. For philosophical naturalists, however, "supernatural" usually means "something that cannot exist."

[Guest Guest]

Nothing Einstein ever wrote can excuse your ridiculous notion that acausal events are amenable to scientific explanation.

Pretty funny that you're grasping Paul's equally ridiculous statement as a life-preserver.

Too late, Calybos.  Your argument was sank like a stone already.  Paul invokes Einsteins as a distraction, probably meant to play to the crowd; Einstein offered nothing that enables science to provide explanations of acausal events.

Causality, which appears to be a cornerstone of Newtonian physics, becomes routed by relativity (which suggests causes and effects may be simultaneous in different frames of reference - time doesn't always "flow" at the same rate), quantum physics (which suggests a deep acausal nature to events at the quantum level), and chaos theory (which suggests that through feedback, causes become effects, and vice versa, making them impossible to isolate.)

Hume and other philosophers have seen causality as a fundamental aspect of the cosmos, and today scientists seem hard-pressed to conceive of how physical laws might exist without it. Still, their own models suggest that it breaks down at the point of the singularity (the center of a black hole) and thus is not operative everywhere... anyway!

http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/paradigms.html

Paul erred in thinking that I assume a linear universe.

You erred in thinking that Paul had somehow atoned for the stupidity you put in cyberprint earlier on.

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Bryan errs in thinking that human beings are anywhere close to understanding the ultimate nature of reality, or even whether there is such a thing.

[Guest Ken Daniels]

Yes, the fundamentalist approach to religion really and truly is ruining this country. People like Ted Haggard and Mark Foley and James Dobson are making headway because of their faith, not because of their true personalities.

Christianity in general is really fraudulent, but I have no beef with them believing what they want to. As long they don't expect me to buy into it. But, unfortunately, just like every other religion, their "mission" is to spread the gospel and make more babies so they can brainwash them into thinking that Jesus Loves Them.

Read all about the fraud of Christianity for yourself:

http://www.geocities.com/b_r_a_d_99/index.html

http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Scriptures/ww...pare/mithra.htm

http://www.geocities.com/kenandcharlene/ken.html

http://faithofyeshua.faithweb.com/index.htm

http://wblr.com/tab0/page/1djxp/Pastor_Ray...pLevelNav%253D1

Have a merry "Christmas"

This is Ken Daniels, author of the http://www.geocities.com/kenandcharlene/ken.html article you referenced above. Thanks for posting the link. Unfortunately Geocities (the site that hosts my online story) is going away on October 26, 2009. This is just to let you know the new home for my story is http://kwdaniels.com/story/DanielsStory.htm. My homepage is now http://kwdaniels.com.

Thanks,

Ken