move over GWB

[Guest Patriot]

Into his 3rd year, zerO have given up blaming Bush for all of zerO f-ups. The new bad guy is the Tea Party. He's actually blaming the Tea Party for our downgrading. You can't make this stuff up.

[Guest Guest]

Into his 3rd year, zerO have given up blaming Bush for all of zerO f-ups. The new bad guy is the Tea Party. He's actually blaming the Tea Party for our downgrading. You can't make this stuff up.

You don't have to make it up. It's true. S&P downgraded the US credit rating because the extreme political divide in Congress makes addressing our real problems more difficult than they had thought. Their statement reads in part:

The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policy making becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy.

If you had a brain you would check the facts instead of sneering at people who know the facts.

[Guest Proud American]

Into his 3rd year, zerO have given up blaming Bush for all of zerO f-ups. The new bad guy is the Tea Party. He's actually blaming the Tea Party for our downgrading. You can't make this stuff up.

You should read Standard & Poor's report on the U.S. credit rating before criticizing the President or presenting the Fox Cable talking point on the downgrade. Here's directly from the report which blamed both Republicans and Democrats:

The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as

America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective,

and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt

ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in

the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our

view, the differences between political parties have proven to be

extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting

agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program

that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and

Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on

discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on

more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have

dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions

only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements,

the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key

to long-term fiscal sustainability.

Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the

structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt

burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated

sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions,"

June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in

framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to

manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to

achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal

stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus

might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by

then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term

fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S.

population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at

hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even

More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).

Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue

measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate

for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing.

[Guest Patriot]

You should read Standard & Poor's report on the U.S. credit rating before criticizing the President or presenting the Fox Cable talking point on the downgrade. Here's directly from the report which blamed both Republicans and Democrats:

The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as

America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective,

and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt

ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in

the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our

view, the differences between political parties have proven to be

extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting

agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program

that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and

Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on

discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on

more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have

dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions

only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements,

the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key

to long-term fiscal sustainability.

Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the

structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt

burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated

sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions,"

June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in

framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to

manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to

achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal

stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus

might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by

then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term

fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S.

population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at

hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even

More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).

Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue

measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate

for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing.

What was all that supposed to mean? John Kerry and Axelrod (zerO's advisor) were both interviewed on TV and they both were quoted as saying "It's a Tea Party downgrade". How can you be a proud american and be so naive.

[Guest Patriot]

You should read Standard & Poor's report on the U.S. credit rating before criticizing the President or presenting the Fox Cable talking point on the downgrade. Here's directly from the report which blamed both Republicans and Democrats:

The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as

America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective,

and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt

ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in

the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our

view, the differences between political parties have proven to be

extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting

agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program

that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and

Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on

discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on

more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have

dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions

only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements,

the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key

to long-term fiscal sustainability.

Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the

structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt

burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated

sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions,"

June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in

framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to

manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to

achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal

stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus

might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by

then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term

fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S.

population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at

hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even

More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).

Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue

measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate

for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing.

What was all that supposed to mean? John Kerry and Axelrod (zerO's advisor) were both interviewed on TV and they both were quoted as saying "It's a Tea Party downgrade". How can you be a proud american and be so naive.

[Guest Gadfly]

In a wonderful video, the RNC Chair blames Obama for the GOP's falling popularity.

Unlike Patty, I even prove it:

Now THAT is something even Colbert wouldn't think of!

[Guest Guest]

What was all that supposed to mean?

It means what it says. The US credit rating was downgraded because there's too much political squabbling in Washington, which is going to happen when one party becomes radical and will not compromise. That is why most of the blame rests with the Republicans, who were afraid to stand up to their Tea Party crazies. This never happened before, so don't say that it's politics as usual; it's the politics of Tea Party radicals, who refuse to admit that when a government is deep in debt, it needs to bring in more revenue. These crazies just cost the American people a lot of money. The markets are still teetering from it, and are still at risk.

Don't blame other people if you can't understand simple English, and don't go around telling people the answers when you don't even understand the questions. It scares the bejeebers out of me that idiots like you, who think you know everything but in fact know just about nothing, have so much influence over politics.

[Guest Patriot]

In a wonderful video, the RNC Chair blames Obama for the GOP's falling popularity.

Unlike Patty, I even prove it:

Now THAT is something even Colbert wouldn't think of!

Are you really so stupid as to believe a CNN poll? They're on the same level with huffington.

[Guest Patriot]

Are you really so stupid as to believe a CNN poll? They're on the same level with huffington.

You're right, of course. Fox is the only poll we should pay any attention to because of their "fairly unbalanced" reporting. Here's a sample of your own posts with poll data from the sleazy mainstream Fox news. Archives expose you for the moron you are...again!

*Patriot*

Group:

Guests Posted 05 May 2008 - 11:02 AM

All the Obamaiacs are taking tranquilizers this morning. Latest poll results show 29% of Hillariacs will

vote for McCain if Obama get the nomination. Since McCain is running in a virtual tie with Obama now,

that much of a swing in the defeatocratic vote will result in a McCain landslide, a 50 state sweep.

Can't wait to post my "Told You So" post in Nov.

Interesting news item today: Notice how Oprah has been conspicuously absent from Obama's

campaign ?? She stated that when she joined Rev. Wright's church some years ago, she noticed

"something wrong" with the Rev.'s sermons so she quit. Wonder why Obama wasn't that

perceptive ?? Or maybe he agreed with the vile racist vitriolic spewing from the good Rev.'s

mouth. In any event, Oprah has realized Obama is damaged goods and is staying away. Most of

white middle America realizes that too, ergo the freefall in the polls.

[Guest Guest]

Are you really so stupid as to believe a CNN poll? They're on the same level with huffington.

In other words, they use facts.

[Guest Guest]

You're right, of course. Fox is the only poll we should pay any attention to because of their "fairly unbalanced" reporting. Here's a sample of your own posts with poll data from the sleazy mainstream Fox news. Archives expose you for the moron you are...again!

*Patriot*

Group:

Guests Posted 05 May 2008 - 11:02 AM

All the Obamaiacs are taking tranquilizers this morning. Latest poll results show 29% of Hillariacs will

vote for McCain if Obama get the nomination. Since McCain is running in a virtual tie with Obama now,

that much of a swing in the defeatocratic vote will result in a McCain landslide, a 50 state sweep.

Can't wait to post my "Told You So" post in Nov.

Interesting news item today: Notice how Oprah has been conspicuously absent from Obama's

campaign ?? She stated that when she joined Rev. Wright's church some years ago, she noticed

"something wrong" with the Rev.'s sermons so she quit. Wonder why Obama wasn't that

perceptive ?? Or maybe he agreed with the vile racist vitriolic spewing from the good Rev.'s

mouth. In any event, Oprah has realized Obama is damaged goods and is staying away. Most of

white middle America realizes that too, ergo the freefall in the polls.

Idiots don't care about facts. That is why you can't have an intelligent discussion with a religious zealot or a rabid right winger. They're never wrong. Just ask them.

[Guest Proud American]

What was all that supposed to mean? John Kerry and Axelrod (zerO's advisor) were both interviewed on TV and they both were quoted as saying "It's a Tea Party downgrade". How can you be a proud american and be so naive.

Okay, if you want me to parse it out for you, I will. Standard & Poor's said the following:

The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as

America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective,

and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt

ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in

the debate over fiscal policy.

Who used the statutory debt ceiling as a "bargaining chip" and threatened default?

Answer: Most Republicans and all in the House who claim to be part of the Tea Party movement.

[Guest Proud American]

Idiots don't care about facts. That is why you can't have an intelligent discussion with a religious zealot or a rabid right winger. They're never wrong. Just ask them.

So using my "Patriot" grading system of

A = Patriot intelligently presents an argument promoting or defending a conservative principle in response to President Obama.

B = Patriot presents erroneous information or attacks President Obama with no factual information.

C = Patriot runs and hides after being presented with facts that disprove or disarm his political points.

On this issue, Patriot responded but it was very terse. So it's a blend of B and C, but more B than C.

So to recap, the Patriot's record under the grading system initiated a week ago is:

Zero A's

One B (for his S&P misinformation)

One C (for not acknowledging his error on his criticism of the President regarding the 1967 Israeli boundaries).

0 -1 - 1

[Guest 2smart4fox]

Are you really so stupid as to believe a CNN poll? They're on the same level with huffington.

LOL. Fox "news" called, they want their hypocrisy back!

[Guest Patriot]

Idiots don't care about facts. That is why you can't have an intelligent discussion with a religious zealot or a rabid right winger. They're never wrong. Just ask them.

Have you seen the last Rasmussin poll? zerO now has an approval rating of 39%, down from 43% a week ago.

Only the rabid far left Ozombies are still looking for their hope and change. zerO looks more like a loser every day. Now this pathetic loser is running around the country by bus, blaming everyone but himself for the economy. At the last stop I saw on TV, he was confronted by an angry crowd and without his teleprompter he was totally at a loss for words.

[Guest Guest]

Have you seen the last Rasmussin poll? zerO now has an approval rating of 39%, down from 43% a week ago.

Only the rabid far left Ozombies are still looking for their hope and change. zerO looks more like a loser every day. Now this pathetic loser is running around the country by bus, blaming everyone but himself for the economy. At the last stop I saw on TV, he was confronted by an angry crowd and without his teleprompter he was totally at a loss for words.

So notify President Giuliani and have him arrested. You won't have any trouble making something up.

[Guest Guest]

So notify President Giuliani and have him arrested. You won't have any trouble making something up.

Huh??

[Guest Patriot]

So notify President Giuliani and have him arrested. You won't have any trouble making something up.

The final nail in zerO's coffin is the black unemployment rate, now at 16% and nowhere to go but up. He's losing the one group that he could otherwise count on, the black and latino vote.

I want to hear a Loony admit to me he made a major mistake in voting for the hope & change con artist.

Come on, man up.