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So it's insensitive to build a house of worship on hallowed ground. Do you hear yourself?

Besides, the "hallowed ground" isn't even in sight of the Trade Center. You can't even see the one from the other. To get yourself good and offended, you would have to walk around a corner or two.

If it was a church, it wouldn't bother anyone, would it. Or a temple. But a mosque, well, we can't have that.

Oh, but is has nothing to do with attacking Muslims. Heaven forbid.

Bullpucky!

Part of the wreckage (Port main landing gear IIRC) struck 45 Park Place, which is the proposed site of the "Cordoba House", So there IS a direct connection. That said, they have EVERY right to put it where they want as long as they own the property, which as of now, they actually do NOT. There is no question that the State or City do NOT have the right to block it, but let's not be blind to the fact that there are, in fact Radical muslims who are inflaming this by declaring it a "Victory" on Arab-language sites. There are A-holes on BOTH sides of this issue.

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Try to put yourself into the shoes of a 9/11 family member. I can only begin to imagine how horrible it must be to have lost a loved one, especially like that. How much and how long I grieve is up to me.

But I don't have the right to force other people to put their lives on hold because I'm still grieving nine years later. Look at the site. It's still a hole in the ground, largely because the victims' families all insisted on one thing or another because they felt entitled to decide how the privately owned land would be used, or not used.

That is why I do not believe the calls for more "sensitivity" toward the victims' families are appropriate. The victims don't have the right to ask that this group not build its center. The other opponents, for the most part at least, have other agendas.

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Why won't the Iman reveal where the money for this project is coming from? And none of your business is not an answer the American people have a right to know if radical groups are funding any part of that mosque.

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Part of the wreckage (Port main landing gear IIRC) struck 45 Park Place, which is the proposed site of the "Cordoba House", So there IS a direct connection.

What a LAME argument! Part of the wreckage hit the building nine years ago. So what?

Part of the wreckage also fell into the Hudson River. Should we therefore ban all water traffic until all the victims' families feel better?

. . . there are, in fact Radical muslims who are inflaming this by declaring it a "Victory" on Arab-language sites. There are A-holes on BOTH sides of this issue.

Again, so what? You're talking about people who support or oppose the project. Imam Rauf and his group aren't being A-holes. And while protesters are trying to intimidate people, the supporters are not. That's the difference.

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Why won't the Iman reveal where the money for this project is coming from? And none of your business is not an answer the American people have a right to know if radical groups are funding any part of that mosque.

Wrong. Imam Rauf is a Sufi, not a Sunni or a Shiite. The Sufis are an especially peaceful denomination within Islam.

http://www.sufipeace.org/

http://www.sufiheart.com/

http://www.ignca.nic.in/cd_09018.htm

http://www.sufiorder.org/prayers.html

http://www.bmf.org/iswp/

http://www.suficentereast.org/

Al Qaeda is drawn from Sunnis and Shiites. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...ra/al-qaida.htm Watching ignorant people attack peaceful people is infuriating.

Comparing Sufis to radical Muslims who promote violence is like comparing the majority of American Christians to Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/06/btsc.lavandrera.funerals/ It's arrogant, bigoted and morally wrong. How would you like it if all Baptists were targeted because of this guy?

None of the WTC attackers was a Sufi. If you think Sufis are a threat, then you should be able to cite some examples of Sufi violence.

So there's no reason to think there's any threat with this community center. If you're going to say that we should investigate their finances, then we would have to investigate every business, every church and every organization of any kind that wants to operate in any area where you think they might pose a threat. And no matter how much we investigated, it wouldn't stop some radical group from doing a low-budget operation. They don't need a thirteen-story building to do damage. In fact, they'd be crazy to spend $100 million to put up a building if they were planning to do some sort of damage.

Use your brain. Think.

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" . . . they'd be crazy to spend $100 million to put up a building if they were planning to do some sort of damage."

Well, some of the radicals did fly planes into buildings, so they've got crazy. (The argument of the Sufi sect is not being dismissed, just wanted to point out that, at least some of the Muslim people are capable of CRAZY.)

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Why won't the Iman reveal where the money for this project is coming from? And none of your business is not an answer the American people have a right to know if radical groups are funding any part of that mosque.

Because he's right to refuse to be singled out when other religious leaders who want to build a community center aren't subject to such scrutiny. This phony non-issue raises the ugly specter of religious and ethnic discrimination, which are illegal. The Imam is standing up for his right to be treated just like everyone else, who isn't being pressured or intimidated into disclosing their finances. Until the law requires every private organization to disclose its finances if wants to put up a building, insisting that Imam Rauf do it is a violation of his equal protection rights under the Constitution that right wingers love to babble about but don't mind shredding when it protects someone else's rights. If we're going to claim to be for "liberty and justice for all," it's time we started acting like it, not like a nation of bigots and hypocrites. That's why.

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" . . . they'd be crazy to spend $100 million to put up a building if they were planning to do some sort of damage."

Well, some of the radicals did fly planes into buildings, so they've got crazy. (The argument of the Sufi sect is not being dismissed, just wanted to point out that, at least some of the Muslim people are capable of CRAZY.)

You just had to know that an idiotic response like that was coming. Terrorists are crazy in particular ways. They're not stupid.

They don't spend $100 million and then destroy the area where they've invested the money. Prove me wrong: point to one example where they've ever done that.

Stalin didn't build a weapons factory and then bomb it. Even if he had built one in Poland, he would have protected it.

The argument that "terrorists are crazy, therefore they'll spend $100 million dollars to draw attention themselves so they can build an office tower and then knock it down" (since they don't need a $100 million, 13-story office tower to do terrorism) is proof of one thing: the people opposing the community center are being irrational.

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Because he's right to refuse to be singled out when other religious leaders who want to build a community center aren't subject to such scrutiny. This phony non-issue raises the ugly specter of religious and ethnic discrimination, which are illegal. The Imam is standing up for his right to be treated just like everyone else, who isn't being pressured or intimidated into disclosing their finances. Until the law requires every private organization to disclose its finances if wants to put up a building, insisting that Imam Rauf do it is a violation of his equal protection rights under the Constitution that right wingers love to babble about but don't mind shredding when it protects someone else's rights. If we're going to claim to be for "liberty and justice for all," it's time we started acting like it, not like a nation of bigots and hypocrites. That's why.

Singling out the Imam and his organization when they haven't done anything wrong and give no evidence of being a threat is religious persecution. He's a U.S. State Department envoy, for Schmidt's sake! The protests against him are ridiculous and they're making us look foolish all over the world.

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How come nobody freaks out when they put up one of those little boy raping centers? What are they called again? Oh that's right, they're called Catholic churches. Why doesn't anybody freak out about those?

Well put. ****, you're a F**KING clown.

Real cute.

Substitute your own name above.

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One question why is it so important to certain people within this Islamic group to build this mosque on that site? When they know it will add to the burden of all the people who lost family and friends on that horrible day at the hands of radical Islamic fundamentalists, why not move to a site outside the shadow of the WTC which now stands as sacred ground for most of the United States why not make a gesture to all the people slaughtered that day including Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Atheists, and every other group who died for an ideology of a twisted radical group and relocate. If they wanted to move towards healing they would understand the pain this is causing the people most affected by this genocidal act. Or is this just a monument of triumph for the radical Islamic world who has no care for healing or understanding just their own latest version of Islamic Crusades against the infidels? Now which one is an affront?

True..

The building being there falls into the psychology of terror.

It is always there and a reminder.

keeps everyone on edge.

Remember a few years after 9-11..

the NY Yankee who smacked his private plane into an apartment building in NYC killing himself and a few others?

What were the initial reports and reactions on that day?

Ask anyone from the Ground Zero area what they do when they hear loud sudden noises.

They need to be looking at this crap for the rest of their lives?

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Singling out the Imam and his organization when they haven't done anything wrong and give no evidence of being a threat is religious persecution. He's a U.S. State Department envoy, for Schmidt's sake! The protests against him are ridiculous and they're making us look foolish all over the world.

Not to worry folks, the patriots still outnumber the Loonis. Common sense and justice will prevail over the Kool-Aid ravings of the far left. The construction unions will not lift a finger to build this tribute to the suicide bombers.

All you bleeding -heart Loonies will have to find another cause to cry over, the patriots won this one.

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Not to worry folks, the patriots still outnumber the Loonis. Common sense and justice will prevail over the Kool-Aid ravings of the far left. The construction unions will not lift a finger to build this tribute to the suicide bombers.

All you bleeding -heart Loonies will have to find another cause to cry over, the patriots won this one.

No problem, President Giuliani. There are plenty of able-bodied Muslims who will build it if the bigots don't want to. Times are hard, so they'll welcome the work.

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No problem, President Giuliani. There are plenty of able-bodied Muslims who will build it if the bigots don't want to. Times are hard, so they'll welcome the work.

That's a laugh. Who wants to be the first "able-bodied muslim" to enter that work site.

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That's a laugh. Who wants to be the first "able-bodied muslim" to enter that work site.

So the right wing plans to shut the project down by force of intimidation and violence if necessary, like the KKK. Only the faces have changed - if you can see them.

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Singling out the Imam and his organization when they haven't done anything wrong and give no evidence of being a threat is religious persecution. He's a U.S. State Department envoy, for Schmidt's sake! The protests against him are ridiculous and they're making us look foolish all over the world.

With all the reports coming out about shady money for this project, do you still feel the same way?

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With all the reports coming out about shady money for this project, do you still feel the same way?

There are no such reports. There are only rumors from right-wingers, like the rumors about Obama's place of birth.

Prove me wrong. Provide some proof of your accusation.

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How about the reports in yesterdays Star ledger that the Iman is a slum lord in North Bergen? Are these allegations true about the buildings he owns or false?

How about them? Even if they were true, it wouldn't prove that "shady money" is behind the cultural center in New York.

Are the reports true? I don't know and neither do you but we do know that some people hate him enough to lie about him. Not that that will stop other people who hate him from passing judgment based on an allegation and without any facts.

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How about them? Even if they were true, it wouldn't prove that "shady money" is behind the cultural center in New York.

Are the reports true? I don't know and neither do you but we do know that some people hate him enough to lie about him. Not that that will stop other people who hate him from passing judgment based on an allegation and without any facts.

"Cultural center"? Don't make me laugh. The building was meant to be a tribute to the "hero" 9/11 suicide bombers who gave their lives for Allah.

But not to worry, the patriotic americans have won, this tribute to jihadists will not be built there.

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"Cultural center"? Don't make me laugh. The building was meant to be a tribute to the "hero" 9/11 suicide bombers who gave their lives for Allah.

But not to worry, the patriotic americans have won, this tribute to jihadists will not be built there.

So I guess Beck's friends at Goldline are terrorist sympathizers? Because they're providing support for this project via BIG $$$.

Glenn Beck's 9/11 Hijacker Memorial.

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So I guess Beck's friends at Goldline are terrorist sympathizers? Because they're providing support for this project via BIG $$$.

Glenn Beck's 9/11 Hijacker Memorial.

Your insane jealousy over a hugely popular Glenn Beck is both obvious and laughable.

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