Dems in a panic.

[Guest 2smart4u]

The Dems are in a panic over the declining popularity of their 2000 page abortion, otherwise known as ObamaCare.

They brought Bubba Clinton to the hill today to try and unite the Loonys. The Loonys are sharply divided over government option, abortion payment and illegals.

Pelosi was all giggles over the house passing their version, which is dead on arrival.

The senate bill is going down just like "HilliaryCare" did.

[Guest Keith]

The Dems are in a panic over the declining popularity of their 2000 page abortion, otherwise known as ObamaCare.

They brought Bubba Clinton to the hill today to try and unite the Loonys. The Loonys are sharply divided over government option, abortion payment and illegals.

Pelosi was all giggles over the house passing their version, which is dead on arrival.

The senate bill is going down just like "HilliaryCare" did.

I'll say it one more time. What if you or a loved one were to die a long painful death. Wallowing in your own filth with no one to help you, no one who cares and no access to healthcare? How would you feel then? Would you be happy about your incessant opposition to anything outside of war?

[Guest 2smart4u]

I'll say it one more time. What if you or a loved one were to die a long painful death. Wallowing in your own filth with no one to help you, no one who cares and no access to healthcare? How would you feel then? Would you be happy about your incessant opposition to anything outside of war?

Read carefully Dummy, I'll say it one more time. 1-Those who can't afford insurance should be given help,

2-Insurance companies should have oversight to control price gouging, 3-Medicare should be given a major overhaul to clean up all the fraud.

Do these 3 things and leave the rest of us alone, 85% of americans are happy with their medical insurance.

The problem is Obama's far left mentality that wants to turn the U.S. into a socialist nanny state and that goes against every principle this country was founded on.

If you don't understand this then I can't help you.

[Guest swarthy]

The senate bill is going down just like "HilliaryCare" did.

dont'you mean the Bill went down like Monica did?

[Guest Guest]

I'll say it one more time. What if you or a loved one were to die a long painful death. Wallowing in your own filth with no one to help you, no one who cares and no access to healthcare? How would you feel then? Would you be happy about your incessant opposition to anything outside of war?

And what if it's YOUR loved one or you who needs Bypass Surgery and the allowable number of those has run out for the year? Unlike Canada you wont HAVE the option of running to the US to save your life.

[Guest Guest]

Read carefully Dummy, I'll say it one more time. 1-Those who can't afford insurance should be given help,

2-Insurance companies should have oversight to control price gouging, 3-Medicare should be given a major overhaul to clean up all the fraud.

Do these 3 things and leave the rest of us alone, 85% of americans are happy with their medical insurance.

The problem is Obama's far left mentality that wants to turn the U.S. into a socialist nanny state and that goes against every principle this country was founded on.

If you don't understand this then I can't help you.

You read it, stupid. If you're proposing that the government pay for everyone's health care who can't afford it, then it's the same thing, except that the middle class is going to take it in the neck again. If you're not, then you're going to have the same problem we have now with millions of people going to the ER to get their care. And the middle class, the backbone of our country, is still going to take it in the neck. Either way, if we did it your idiotic way, most of the people would get screwed.

I suggest you get a brain before you call someone else Dummy.

[Guest ko]

Read carefully Dummy, I'll say it one more time. 1-Those who can't afford insurance should be given help,

2-Insurance companies should have oversight to control price gouging, 3-Medicare should be given a major overhaul to clean up all the fraud.

Do these 3 things and leave the rest of us alone, 85% of americans are happy with their medical insurance.

The problem is Obama's far left mentality that wants to turn the U.S. into a socialist nanny state and that goes against every principle this country was founded on.

If you don't understand this then I can't help you.

2smart4u makes a good point here. This is the United States of America. We're supposed to be the anti-welfare state... for better and for worse. The debate comes down to whether you agree with dog-eat-dog capitalism or something somewhat socialistic. America is not a place for loving one's neighbor or helping the down-trodden. The foundation of the United States is made up of the corpses of millions of black slaves. Our country was built on economic greed, the same kind that flows in the blood of insurance company executives and the rich who support any politician who lets them horde their money. Belief in America is belief in oneself. It is the belief in one's individual wealth at any other person's expense.

America has changed before, however. Laws have changed. Policies have changed. Ideals have changed. I never disagreed with anybody who wanted to "turn the U.S. into" anything. Because, to me, America means changing America for the better. It's what we've been doing since the birth of this country. So say what you will about the U.S. having any definitive or eternal ideals, because it's clearly bullshit.

Should I reference other moments when brave men and women stood up against "the principles this country was founded on?" lol. you're so silly, 2smarty.

[Guest 2smart4u]

You read it, stupid. If you're proposing that the government pay for everyone's health care who can't afford it, then it's the same thing, except that the middle class is going to take it in the neck again. If you're not, then you're going to have the same problem we have now with millions of people going to the ER to get their care. And the middle class, the backbone of our country, is still going to take it in the neck. Either way, if we did it your idiotic way, most of the people would get screwed.

I suggest you get a brain before you call someone else Dummy.

The Dummy also cannot read. I didn't say everyone who can't afford healthcare should be given free care.

I said those who cannot afford healthcare should be helped. "Helped" is a broad term and can mean many things, such as a voucher system such as food stamps paid by the federal government, not the middle class

(as your dislexia would suggest). My other suggestion; overhauling the medicare system would more than pay for the voucher system. Got it now, Dummy?

[Guest 2smart4u]

2smart4u makes a good point here. This is the United States of America. We're supposed to be the anti-welfare state... for better and for worse. The debate comes down to whether you agree with dog-eat-dog capitalism or something somewhat socialistic. America is not a place for loving one's neighbor or helping the down-trodden. The foundation of the United States is made up of the corpses of millions of black slaves. Our country was built on economic greed, the same kind that flows in the blood of insurance company executives and the rich who support any politician who lets them horde their money. Belief in America is belief in oneself. It is the belief in one's individual wealth at any other person's expense.

America has changed before, however. Laws have changed. Policies have changed. Ideals have changed. I never disagreed with anybody who wanted to "turn the U.S. into" anything. Because, to me, America means changing America for the better. It's what we've been doing since the birth of this country. So say what you will about the U.S. having any definitive or eternal ideals, because it's clearly bullshit.

Should I reference other moments when brave men and women stood up against "the principles this country was founded on?" lol. you're so silly, 2smarty.

Yes, please reference other moments when brave men and women .........

I'd like to see how far you can go with this Kool-Aid theory.

[Guest kEITH]

And what if it's YOUR loved one or you who needs Bypass Surgery and the allowable number of those has run out for the year? Unlike Canada you wont HAVE the option of running to the US to save your life.

Well then I guess we're all fu**ked doesn't it?

[Guest Guest]

The Dummy also cannot read. I didn't say everyone who can't afford healthcare should be given free care. I said those who cannot afford healthcare should be helped. "Helped" is a broad term and can mean many things, such as a voucher system such as food stamps paid by the federal government, not the middle class (as your dislexia would suggest). My other suggestion; overhauling the medicare system would more than pay for the voucher system. Got it now, Dummy?

And you can't think, stupid. You're either going to give them enough to make up the difference or you're going to leave them short. If you leave them short, then we have the same problem as now. If you give them enough to provide good care, then you're going to spend the same amount of money.

[Guest KO]

Yes, please reference other moments when brave men and women .........

I'd like to see how far you can go with this Kool-Aid theory.

SLAVERY YOU F**KING RETARD. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSITUTIONALLY 'OKAY' TILL THE US OF A'S CENTENIAL . F**K YOU!

[Guest 2smart4u]

SLAVERY YOU F**KING RETARD. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSITUTIONALLY 'OKAY' TILL THE US OF A'S CENTENIAL . F**K YOU!

Wrong again Kool Aid KO, "Slavery" is not mentioned in the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights. Don't give up though, you might yet come up with a valid point.

[Guest ko]

Wrong again Kool Aid KO, "Slavery" is not mentioned in the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights. Don't give up though, you might yet come up with a valid point.

I was drinking something other than Kool Aid when I posted that. Sorry, I meant to say it was a social "norm." Either way, you get what I'm saying about "changing" the ideals of the United States and how there aren't "true" American values. And the "long held" beliefs aren't always the best. Can you agree with this? Can you admit that Slavery was a principle this country was founded on. Debate that if you want, but it's pretty F**KING obvious that I'm right.

[Guest ko]

in all of my drunkeness, by the way, I wasn't even wrong. it was constitutionally "okay" because there was no law outlawing it in the constitution. you're so F**KING dumb it's ubelievable.

[Guest Guest]

Wrong again Kool Aid KO, "Slavery" is not mentioned in the Constitution nor the Bill of Rights. Don't give up though, you might yet come up with a valid point.

Which IF you weren't such a dickwad you'd understand means it was Constitutionally OK, WANKER!

[Guest 2smart4u]

in all of my drunkeness, by the way, I wasn't even wrong. it was constitutionally "okay" because there was no law outlawing it in the constitution. you're so F**KING dumb it's ubelievable.

Ko, you should have quit while you were behind. By your rationale, murder, rape and arson are also constitutionally "okay" because there is no law outlawing them in the constitution.

Why don't you change the topic, you're in over your head on this one, Dummy.

[Guest ko]

Ko, you should have quit while you were behind. By your rationale, murder, rape and arson are also constitutionally "okay" because there is no law outlawing them in the constitution.

Why don't you change the topic, you're in over your head on this one, Dummy.

I guess you're right. shit.

[Guest Guest]

I guess you're right. shit.

That's the first intelligent thing I've heard you say.

[Guest ko]

Ko, you should have quit while you were behind. By your rationale, murder, rape and arson are also constitutionally "okay" because there is no law outlawing them in the constitution.

Why don't you change the topic, you're in over your head on this one, Dummy.

i'm realizing more and more how nitpicky this retort is. YOU GOT THE POINT, RIGHT? i mean, honestly, what do you think America's values are... i mean besides hating all blacks and gays?

and women*

[Guest otj1987]

I was drinking something other than Kool Aid when I posted that. Sorry, I meant to say it was a social "norm." Either way, you get what I'm saying about "changing" the ideals of the United States and how there aren't "true" American values. And the "long held" beliefs aren't always the best. Can you agree with this? Can you admit that Slavery was a principle this country was founded on. Debate that if you want, but it's pretty F**KING obvious that I'm right.

Actually it's pretty obvious you are NOT right. slavery was not a Founding Principal. The founders were pretty evenly split upon it in fact. Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison were rather insistant on Abolishing Slavery from the beginnings. However, the southern states were adamant on keeping it. The Founders agreed to disagree on the subject, recognizing that the FAR more pressing Issue was to declare Independance from England and get that fight out of the way before tackling Slavery. Let me guess, you still believe the Civil war was fought to free the slaves too, Don't you.

[Guest 2smart4u]

Actually it's pretty obvious you are NOT right. slavery was not a Founding Principal. The founders were pretty evenly split upon it in fact. Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison were rather insistant on Abolishing Slavery from the beginnings. However, the southern states were adamant on keeping it. The Founders agreed to disagree on the subject, recognizing that the FAR more pressing Issue was to declare Independance from England and get that fight out of the way before tackling Slavery. Let me guess, you still believe the Civil war was fought to free the slaves too, Don't you.

And Ko gets administered another beat-down ! Too funny.

[Guest ko]

Actually it's pretty obvious you are NOT right. slavery was not a Founding Principal. The founders were pretty evenly split upon it in fact. Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison were rather insistant on Abolishing Slavery from the beginnings. However, the southern states were adamant on keeping it. The Founders agreed to disagree on the subject, recognizing that the FAR more pressing Issue was to declare Independance from England and get that fight out of the way before tackling Slavery. Let me guess, you still believe the Civil war was fought to free the slaves too, Don't you.

NO, YOU F**KING IDIOT, I DON'T. AGREE TO DISAGREE MEANT 100 YEARS OF SLAVES, RIGHT? SEEMS LIKE THEY AGREED THAT SLAVERY WAS GOING TO EXIST IN THE UNITED STATES FOR A WHILE.

[Guest Loki]

NO, YOU F**KING IDIOT, I DON'T. AGREE TO DISAGREE MEANT 100 YEARS OF SLAVES, RIGHT? SEEMS LIKE THEY AGREED THAT SLAVERY WAS GOING TO EXIST IN THE UNITED STATES FOR A WHILE.

There were two schools of thought, one was in favor of slavery, the others were not. The Founding Fathers feared that to decide the issue at that time would tear the new country apart. It was a simple matter of "picking your battles". Morally, it was wrong, no one can argue that. But, had they drawn the line at that time, it would have torn the country apart, e.g. the Civil War (which was actually more about states' rights, so you are WRONG about that).

It's in the history books, you can read, right?

[Guest 2smart4u]

NO, YOU F**KING IDIOT, I DON'T. AGREE TO DISAGREE MEANT 100 YEARS OF SLAVES, RIGHT? SEEMS LIKE THEY AGREED THAT SLAVERY WAS GOING TO EXIST IN THE UNITED STATES FOR A WHILE.

Ko, quit while you're behind. You don't have a clue.