Guest Guest Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Would you favor merging your Police Dept. with Kearny and E. Newark if it would reduce taxes. A recent poll of other towns showed that 73% are in favor of merging police depts to reduce taxes. What about Harrison residents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Retired Firefighter Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Would you favor merging your Police Dept. with Kearny and E. Newark if it would reduce taxes. A recent poll of other towns showed that 73% are in favor of merging police depts to reduce taxes.What about Harrison residents? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Back in the 60's there was a study done on consolidation of Kearny and Harrison Police & Fire Dept depts. It was shown that the savings would be substantial with no decrease in services. No one would lose their job, reduction in personnel would occur through retirements. The study died on the shelf. This study was done at the time when there was a residency law in place, cops & firefighters had to live in town, and cops and firefighters were "home grown". There was more of the mentality of "protecting your own". Consequently, neither mayor or town council supported the idea. Today, it's a different story, most cops and FF grew up in other towns and live in other towns. The only consideration today should be tax savings while maintaining services. Creating a West Hudson Police Dept and a West Hudson Fire Dept. would save tax dollars in Harrison and Kearny (East Newark had the option of joining). BOTTOM LINE....... Don't expect this to happen. It would take progressive and forward-thinking mayors and councils in both towns to agree on the concept. I don't think the words "progressive" and "forward-thinking" apply to our current crop of politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I'm a cop and in favor of a merger. This way the political crap will stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I'm a cop and in favor of a merger. This way the political crap will stop. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bullsnot..it'll be the same nonsense, just with different faces..this is Hudson County and politics is ALWAYS a factor. Considering the fact that in Kearny at least, and without bothering to count ANY Ratables from businesses, the average homeowner pays around $150.00 per year for Police Salaries (up that to $162.00 if the town was actually making it's pension contributions they were supposed to), I really dont see how there's going to be any real savings..lets see..same number of taxpeyers, same number of cops, same number of vehicles..where is the savings?? What i DO see with consolidation is Kearny Taxpayers getting stuck with the bill for Harrison's new Stadium, and the resultant traffic nightmare. If you're a Harrison Cop and you want to work in Kearny, take the Test, or Lateral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Would Harrison just be a precinct of the west hudson department....if it was mitigated that service would be equal or greater, than OK. What do we get from Hudson County? Does this mean they can be dismantled? We get absolutely zero from them. As mentioned in the prior post, I was always in favor of "home grown" and "protecting your own", but that is unconstitutional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest888 Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Back in the 60's there was a study done on consolidation of Kearny and Harrison Police & Fire Dept depts. It was shown that the savings would be substantial with no decrease in services. No one would lose their job, reduction in personnel would occur through retirements. The study died on the shelf. This study was done at the time when there was a residency law in place, cops & firefighters had to live in town, and cops and firefighters were "home grown". There was more of the mentality of "protecting your own". Consequently, neither mayor or town council supported the idea. Today, it's a different story, most cops and FF grew up in other towns and live in other towns. The only consideration today should be tax savings while maintaining services. Creating a West Hudson Police Dept and a West Hudson Fire Dept. would save tax dollars in Harrison and Kearny (East Newark had the option of joining). BOTTOM LINE....... Don't expect this to happen. It would take progressive and forward-thinking mayors and councils in both towns to agree on the concept. I don't think the words "progressive" and "forward-thinking" apply to our current crop of politicians. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> [/quoteAgree with You 100% These Mayors and Councilmen -Woman do not have the brains needed to do this......This would be the rite thing to do for these Towns so it most likely will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I'm a cop and in favor of a merger. This way the political crap will stop. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> dream on loser,merger can't stop the shit it goes falling down from the to down. maybe you feel that way when you see a paycut to your salary. f*ck no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 this is why you can't have any meaningful dialogue here......the kearny thread has some garbage too, but at least there are some intelligent discussions where opinions are brought forward and not trashed, but rather rebutted ...very sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Back in the 60's there was a study done on consolidation of Kearny and Harrison Police & Fire Dept depts. It was shown that the savings would be substantial with no decrease in services. No one would lose their job, reduction in personnel would occur through retirements. The study died on the shelf. This study was done at the time when there was a residency law in place, cops & firefighters had to live in town, and cops and firefighters were "home grown". There was more of the mentality of "protecting your own". Consequently, neither mayor or town council supported the idea. Today, it's a different story, most cops and FF grew up in other towns and live in other towns. The only consideration today should be tax savings while maintaining services. Creating a West Hudson Police Dept and a West Hudson Fire Dept. would save tax dollars in Harrison and Kearny (East Newark had the option of joining). BOTTOM LINE....... Don't expect this to happen. It would take progressive and forward-thinking mayors and councils in both towns to agree on the concept. I don't think the words "progressive" and "forward-thinking" apply to our current crop of politicians. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It wasn't the mayor and council who didn't support it, it was a court decision brought on by the NAACP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Retired Firefighter Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Bullsnot..it'll be the same nonsense, just with different faces..this is Hudson County and politics is ALWAYS a factor. Considering the fact that in Kearny at least, and without bothering to count ANY Ratables from businesses, the average homeowner pays around $150.00 per year for Police Salaries (up that to $162.00 if the town was actually making it's pension contributions they were supposed to), I really dont see how there's going to be any real savings..lets see..same number of taxpeyers, same number of cops, same number of vehicles..where is the savings?? What i DO see with consolidation is Kearny Taxpayers getting stuck with the bill for Harrison's new Stadium, and the resultant traffic nightmare. If you're a Harrison Cop and you want to work in Kearny, take the Test, or Lateral. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You really don't have a clue. If Harrison and Kearny were to merge their police dept, there would be a reduction in manpower. Through attrition there would be less officers, less vehicles, one headquarters, one chief. Same with the fire dept., eliminate a firehouse, a couple of apparatus, fewer officers and less firefighters. It also has nothing to do with the stadium, tax rates or ratables. It also has nothing to do with Hudson County. The annual police and fire budget would simply be split 60/40 or however the budget is divided The advantage is more on-duty personnel at any given time and a reduction in taxes for both towns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Retired Firefighter Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 It wasn't the mayor and council who didn't support it, it was a court decision brought on by the NAACP. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's nonsense. I was there, it had nothing to do with the NAACP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Bullsnot..it'll be the same nonsense, just with different faces..this is Hudson County and politics is ALWAYS a factor. Considering the fact that in Kearny at least, and without bothering to count ANY Ratables from businesses, the average homeowner pays around $150.00 per year for Police Salaries (up that to $162.00 if the town was actually making it's pension contributions they were supposed to), I really dont see how there's going to be any real savings..lets see..same number of taxpeyers, same number of cops, same number of vehicles..where is the savings?? What i DO see with consolidation is Kearny Taxpayers getting stuck with the bill for Harrison's new Stadium, and the resultant traffic nightmare. If you're a Harrison Cop and you want to work in Kearny, take the Test, or Lateral. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> several cops have attempted the move already...........more to follow your leadership chief dowe. our deptneeds your leadership skill.........THAT'S FOR SURE! DK KNOWS ONLY TOO CONNECT THE DOTS OVER AT THE STREET DEPT. RC AND CREW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 several cops have attempted the move already...........more to follow your leadership chief dowe. our deptneeds your leadership skill.........THAT'S FOR SURE! DK KNOWS ONLY TOO CONNECT THE DOTS OVER AT THE STREET DEPT. RC AND CREW. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It would be the West Hudson Police Dept. with Chief Dowe in charge. DK would go back to Captain. He is in over his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 It would be the West Hudson Police Dept. with Chief Dowe in charge. DK would go back to Captain. He is in over his head. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't need to spend that much time on this topic cause the Mayor and Corzine are friends and if merging is something Ray doesn't want to happen it won't. Just remember corruption that is all it has ever been and all it will ever be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 You really don't have a clue. If Harrison and Kearny were to merge their police dept, there would be a reduction in manpower. Through attrition there would be less officers, less vehicles, one headquarters, one chief. Same with the fire dept., eliminate a firehouse, a couple of apparatus, fewer officers and less firefighters. It also has nothing to do with the stadium, tax rates or ratables. It also has nothing to do with Hudson County. The annual police and fire budget would simply be split 60/40 or however the budget is divided The advantage is more on-duty personnel at any given time and a reduction in taxes for both towns. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> BULL SHIT IT WILL LOWER TAXES,AND ELIMINATE ALL THE LAZY ***. *** *** NO PUN INTENDED KOTW Note: The above post was edited for content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.