Lying right wing scumbags - let's keep track

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A day or two ago, 2stupid4words repeated the right-wing lie that President Obama's Memorial Day appearance at a ceremony outside Arlington National Cemetary is a first for an American president. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105569

The truth is that Reagan, Bush and Bush all did the same thing.

http://www.usmemorialday.org/remarks.html.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005250034

http://mediamatters.org/research/201005260069

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005260041

http://mediamatters.org/research/201005250053

http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com/2010/0...eremony-at.html

http://iarnuocon.newsvine.com/_news/2010/0...wing-freaks-out

The strategy of the right wing is very clever and so far quite effective. They spin a narrative, true or false, and their sheep-like followers repeat it as though it was true. They don't bother to do any research to see whether it's true, and even if you point out the facts to them, they don't care and they don't change their opinion or their understanding of the facts.

Hitler took power in Germany by mastering propaganda and the big lie: tell a lie often enough and people will believe it. The bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it, because most people are not willing to believe that someone would lie about something big.

http://books.google.com/books?id=cPeogcSyy...%22&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=kUYEAAAAM...ugh&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=4dPjy8_mA...ugh&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=yaHtAAAAM...masses&cd=1

http://books.google.com/books?id=Byzv7rf6g...ses&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=3r9G5HOk6...ses&f=false

I hate making the comparison to Hitler. It is classic and overused. Tragically, however, and whether intended or not, it accurately describes the tactics of the current right wing in America. I don't know 2stupid4words and prefer to think that he means well. But what he is doing, and does here day after day, tears at the very fabric of our country and our lives together as one people and one nation. We shouldn't have to make an argument that truth matters but apparently we do. That is a measure of how radical and unreasoning the American right wing has become. I am dead serious about this.

On this forum, we have seen 2stupid4words open one topic after another, day after day, incessantly propagandizing for a right wing fantasy. Fifty years ago, people would have laughed. But since Reagan dumbed down the American population and convinced them that stupid was in, and with the rise of Fox noise and its daily, fact-free talking points, a large segment of the American population takes this garbage seriously.

So what is the antidote? 2stupid4words has a short attention span, opening topic after topic and never addressing the content of any of them. So let's have one topic where we call him and other right wingers out on their lying. We'll begin with this post and watch.

My advice to others is to ignore his topics as he posts them and respond here. Let's see if there is anything that can convince this jackass to change his behavior.

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Today 2stupid4words claimed that President Obama wishes to “OWN and OPERATE healthcare and every other industry he can get his greasy leftist hands on.” http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105592

That is a lie. Lying right wing scumbag, 2stupid4words, cannot name one industry that President Obama has tried to own and operate, including the health care industry. The statement is a perfect illustration of repeating a big lie, in very simple terms, over and over until people believe it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=cPeogcSyy...%22&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=kUYEAAAAM...ugh&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=4dPjy8_mA...ugh&f=false

Lying right wing scumbag, 2stupid4words, and anyone else has an open forum to present facts to prove me wrong and defend this false statement. But they can’t because it is a lie. In fact, with reference to healthcare, it doesn’t even make sense. Nothing in the new law gives ownership or operation of the health care industry over to the government. The hospitals and doctors offices are still owned and operated by the same companies and people who owned them before. 2stupid4words' statement is a lie, plain and simple.

[Guest 2smart4u]

A day or two ago, 2stupid4words repeated the right-wing lie that President Obama's Memorial Day appearance at a ceremony outside Arlington National Cemetary is a first for an American president. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105569

The truth is that Reagan, Bush and Bush all did the same thing.

http://www.usmemorialday.org/remarks.html.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005250034

http://mediamatters.org/research/201005260069

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005260041

http://mediamatters.org/research/201005250053

http://liberalmedianot.blogspot.com/2010/0...eremony-at.html

http://iarnuocon.newsvine.com/_news/2010/0...wing-freaks-out

The strategy of the right wing is very clever and so far quite effective. They spin a narrative, true or false, and their sheep-like followers repeat it as though it was true. They don't bother to do any research to see whether it's true, and even if you point out the facts to them, they don't care and they don't change their opinion or their understanding of the facts.

Hitler took power in Germany by mastering propaganda and the big lie: tell a lie often enough and people will believe it. The bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it, because most people are not willing to believe that someone would lie about something big.

http://books.google.com/books?id=cPeogcSyy...%22&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=kUYEAAAAM...ugh&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=4dPjy8_mA...ugh&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=yaHtAAAAM...masses&cd=1

http://books.google.com/books?id=Byzv7rf6g...ses&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=3r9G5HOk6...ses&f=false

I hate making the comparison to Hitler. It is classic and overused. Tragically, however, and whether intended or not, it accurately describes the tactics of the current right wing in America. I don't know 2stupid4words and prefer to think that he means well. But what he is doing, and does here day after day, tears at the very fabric of our country and our lives together as one people and one nation. We shouldn't have to make an argument that truth matters but apparently we do. That is a measure of how radical and unreasoning the American right wing has become. I am dead serious about this.

On this forum, we have seen 2stupid4words open one topic after another, day after day, incessantly propagandizing for a right wing fantasy. Fifty years ago, people would have laughed. But since Reagan dumbed down the American population and convinced them that stupid was in, and with the rise of Fox noise and its daily, fact-free talking points, a large segment of the American population takes this garbage seriously.

So what is the antidote? 2stupid4words has a short attention span, opening topic after topic and never addressing the content of any of them. So let's have one topic where we call him and other right wingers out on their lying. We'll begin with this post and watch.

My advice to others is to ignore his topics as he posts them and respond here. Let's see if there is anything that can convince this jackass to change his behavior.

Another typical Loony response, half-truths and spin. When Reagan and Bush had official state business that conflicted with the Memorial Day observance at Arlington Cemetery, their VP's took their place. This happened once in Reagan's eight years and once in Bush's eight years.

Obama is another story, instead of official business he'll be vacationing in Chicago with his old cronies. BIG DIFFERENCE .

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Another typical Loony response, half-truths and spin. When Reagan and Bush had official state business that conflicted with the Memorial Day observance at Arlington Cemetery, their VP's took their place. This happened once in Reagan's eight years and once in Bush's eight years.

Obama is another story, instead of official business he'll be vacationing in Chicago with his old cronies. BIG DIFFERENCE .

That is another lie, in fact at least two lies. On Memorial Day, President Obama will be at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery in Elwood, IL.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/25/ob...econd-visit-ho/ This is every bit as official and as solemn as Arlington. If Obama had gone to Normandy beach, for example, the right wing would skewer him for going to France on our Memorial Day.

There is also not a shred of evidence that he will be with even one of his "cronies," much less terrorists, as 2stupid4words previously and falsely claimed.

The fact is, this would be fine with 2stupid4words and the other right wing nutcakes attacking Obama if Bush or Reagan had done it. They just hate this president and will not just criticize but demonize him no matter what he does.

The other point is that it wouldn't matter if a president did skip Arlington. This illustrates a difference between the right and the left. The right thinks that patriotism is about commemorating the past, while the left thinks patriotism is about serving our country. It's the difference between false piety and true piety, outward displays of affection and real love of country. Jesus of Nazareth expressed this difference when he spoke of the hypocrites to go out of their way to make sure people see them praying. Every wife or husband who hears "I love you" but then sees a colder reality also understands the difference. See http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/26/ri...ttack-on-obama/

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I don't care whether the President lays a wreath at a tomb as long as he works hard and does his job.

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I don't care whether the President lays a wreath at a tomb as long as he works hard and does his job.

Do you care if a president does neither?

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Do you care if a president does neither?

Yes! That's why AMERICA got rid of republicans

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Yes! That's why AMERICA got rid of republicans

Huh ????

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2stupid4words’ latest collection of lies is: “Comrade zerO tried to interfere in the election process by attempting to bribe Sestak to drop out of the race against Specter. ZerO's skipping out on the Arlington ceremony in favor of hangin' with his bros' in Chicago ( he'll make a quick visit to Lincoln's gravesite for show). He's been an absolute failure on this gulf disaster. The federal government has done nothing to date, leaving it all up to BP, although zerO claims the government's in charge.” http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105658

Let’s take them one by one. In the first place, the President’s name is Barack Obama. Calling him Comrade zerO would have been considered treasonous when Stupid’s favorite President was in. Now, apparently, disrespect toward the President is OK.

There is no evidence of any improper or illegal activity in the Sestak matter.

President Obama is not skipping out on anything. 2stupid4words' accusation is a lie. The President observed Memorial Day at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. The ceremony was rained out but President Obama went and stood there in the pouring rain, wind and lightning. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/obama...rained-10790829 http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/po....check.cnn.html No doubt 2stupid4words will blame him for the rain and would love it if it had been rained out completely so they could blame him for leaving. But in fact the President stayed and completed the ceremony, not that it made the slightest difference to the war effort or the economy. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/marin...wreath-10790912 There is no evidence he is “hangin’ with his bros” in Chicago. That is also a lie. The President’s appearance at a national cemetery on Memorial Day is always brief, and it is always for show. It does not change a single policy or improve a single life. So while that statement is not a lie, it is ignorant.

The President has not been a failure on the Gulf oil disaster. That is also a lie. The federal government has directed BP’s activity throughout. When an ignorant person like 2stupid4words claims that the President is lying about the government’s activity, he should have some evidence to support that claim. 2stupid4words has no evidence but he accuses the President anyway. That is another lie.

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2stupid4words’ latest collection of lies is: “Comrade zerO tried to interfere in the election process by attempting to bribe Sestak to drop out of the race against Specter. ZerO's skipping out on the Arlington ceremony in favor of hangin' with his bros' in Chicago ( he'll make a quick visit to Lincoln's gravesite for show). He's been an absolute failure on this gulf disaster. The federal government has done nothing to date, leaving it all up to BP, although zerO claims the government's in charge.” http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105658

Let’s take them one by one. In the first place, the President’s name is Barack Obama. Calling him Comrade zerO would have been considered treasonous when Stupid’s favorite President was in. Now, apparently, disrespect toward the President is OK.

There is no evidence of any improper or illegal activity in the Sestak matter.

President Obama is not skipping out on anything. 2stupid4words' accusation is a lie. The President observed Memorial Day at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. The ceremony was rained out but President Obama went and stood there in the pouring rain, wind and lightning. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/obama...rained-10790829 http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/po....check.cnn.html No doubt 2stupid4words will blame him for the rain and would love it if it had been rained out completely so they could blame him for leaving. But in fact the President stayed and completed the ceremony, not that it made the slightest difference to the war effort or the economy. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/marin...wreath-10790912 There is no evidence he is “hangin’ with his bros” in Chicago. That is also a lie. The President’s appearance at a national cemetery on Memorial Day is always brief, and it is always for show. It does not change a single policy or improve a single life. So while that statement is not a lie, it is ignorant.

The President has not been a failure on the Gulf oil disaster. That is also a lie. The federal government has directed BP’s activity throughout. When an ignorant person like 2stupid4words claims that the President is lying about the government’s activity, he should have some evidence to support that claim. 2stupid4words has no evidence but he accuses the President anyway. That is another lie.

"No evidence of improper or illegal activity" ?? Open your eyes, Loony. Do you really think Bubba Clinton thought up the idea by himself or Rohm didn't have zerO's approval before approaching Bubba ?? Wise up.

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2stupid4words’ latest collection of lies is: “Comrade zerO tried to interfere in the election process by attempting to bribe Sestak to drop out of the race against Specter. ZerO's skipping out on the Arlington ceremony in favor of hangin' with his bros' in Chicago ( he'll make a quick visit to Lincoln's gravesite for show). He's been an absolute failure on this gulf disaster. The federal government has done nothing to date, leaving it all up to BP, although zerO claims the government's in charge.” http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105658

Let’s take them one by one. In the first place, the President’s name is Barack Obama. Calling him Comrade zerO would have been considered treasonous when Stupid’s favorite President was in. Now, apparently, disrespect toward the President is OK.

There is no evidence of any improper or illegal activity in the Sestak matter.

President Obama is not skipping out on anything. 2stupid4words' accusation is a lie. The President observed Memorial Day at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery. The ceremony was rained out but President Obama went and stood there in the pouring rain, wind and lightning. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/obama...rained-10790829 http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/po....check.cnn.html No doubt 2stupid4words will blame him for the rain and would love it if it had been rained out completely so they could blame him for leaving. But in fact the President stayed and completed the ceremony, not that it made the slightest difference to the war effort or the economy. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/marin...wreath-10790912 There is no evidence he is “hangin’ with his bros” in Chicago. That is also a lie. The President’s appearance at a national cemetery on Memorial Day is always brief, and it is always for show. It does not change a single policy or improve a single life. So while that statement is not a lie, it is ignorant.

The President has not been a failure on the Gulf oil disaster. That is also a lie. The federal government has directed BP’s activity throughout. When an ignorant person like 2stupid4words claims that the President is lying about the government’s activity, he should have some evidence to support that claim. 2stupid4words has no evidence but he accuses the President anyway. That is another lie.

Right after the explosion and fire , the Governor of LA asked permission to build sand berms along the coastline. Dispite many pleas, his requests fell on deaf ears until after 4 weeks he received conditional approval for a small section of coastline. The other day on the news , the Governor stated if he had been given approval right away he could have built 10 miles of berm in those 4 weeks.

Ignoring the Governor during those 4 weeks goes beyond failure, it constitutes gross negligence.

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"No evidence of improper or illegal activity" ?? Open your eyes, Loony. Do you really think Bubba Clinton thought up the idea by himself or Rohm didn't have zerO's approval before approaching Bubba ?? Wise up.

What law was violated and by whom? Be specific in your answer.

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Right after the explosion and fire , the Governor of LA asked permission to build sand berms along the coastline. Dispite many pleas, his requests fell on deaf ears until after 4 weeks he received conditional approval for a small section of coastline. The other day on the news , the Governor stated if he had been given approval right away he could have built 10 miles of berm in those 4 weeks.

Ignoring the Governor during those 4 weeks goes beyond failure, it constitutes gross negligence.

So Jindal claims it and you believe Jindal. On what basis? You don't link to anything that would tell a reasonable person that Jindal's claims are true.

And even if they were true, he's claiming ten miles of coastland. Out of how many miles?

Furthermore, Jindal says Louisiana is building the sand berms, so how could Obama have stopped him?

http://www.mefeedia.com/news/31338763

http://www.wafb.com/global/story.asp?s=12529674

You write as though sand berms offered a sure solution to the problem of having the oil reach Louisiana’s coast but apparently that view is not shared by the experts. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1993051,00.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0524/BP-...ssive-berm-plan

So do you have reliable links to support your claims? Of course not. You just post a few paragraphs attacking President Obama, in which you can claim anything you like. Where’s your proof that it would work?

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So Jindal claims it and you believe Jindal. On what basis? You don't link to anything that would tell a reasonable person that Jindal's claims are true.

And even if they were true, he's claiming ten miles of coastland. Out of how many miles?

Furthermore, Jindal says Louisiana is building the sand berms, so how could Obama have stopped him?

http://www.mefeedia.com/news/31338763

http://www.wafb.com/global/story.asp?s=12529674

You write as though sand berms offered a sure solution to the problem of having the oil reach Louisiana’s coast but apparently that view is not shared by the experts. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...1993051,00.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0524/BP-...ssive-berm-plan

So do you have reliable links to support your claims? Of course not. You just post a few paragraphs attacking President Obama, in which you can claim anything you like. Where’s your proof that it would work?

Isn't that the smae Governor that didn't want the Feds butting in to the state's business? I guess he must need them now.

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2stupid4words has now accused President Obama of bribery. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105743

That accusation is a lie. If 2stupid4words thinks it's true, then let him post the specific conduct by the President and the specific law that he allegedly violated. He won't do it because he can't do it because he's lying again.

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2stupid4words claims that the Canadian health care system is going bankrupt and is in danger of collapse. He also claims that President Obama just copied the Canadian system. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105724

That is a lie. Canada has an aging population because of the post-World-War-II baby boom, which is causing health care costs to rise. The headline here is “Soaring costs force Canada to reassess health care model.” http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100531/hl_nm/us_health_3

Well guess what: soaring costs just forced the United States to reassess its health care model, too. At least Canada has universal coverage. They must like it because they’re trying to keep it, even as costs rise because of the aging population. This will turn around eventually when demographics change after the baby-boomers die.

Furthermore, the United States has not copied the Canadian system. Not even close. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/index-eng.php

2stupid4words: all lies, all the time.

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2stupid4words claims that the Canadian health care system is going bankrupt and is in danger of collapse. He also claims that President Obama just copied the Canadian system. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105724

That is a lie. Canada has an aging population because of the post-World-War-II baby boom, which is causing health care costs to rise. The headline here is “Soaring costs force Canada to reassess health care model.” http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100531/hl_nm/us_health_3

Well guess what: soaring costs just forced the United States to reassess its health care model, too. At least Canada has universal coverage. They must like it because they’re trying to keep it, even as costs rise because of the aging population. This will turn around eventually when demographics change after the baby-boomers die.

Furthermore, the United States has not copied the Canadian system. Not even close. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/index-eng.php

2stupid4words: all lies, all the time.

"after the baby-boomers die". That a very telling remark because Canada's healthcare is based upon "need". What they don't tell you is who determines "need". Canada has "death panels" ( although they don't use that term, they refer to them as medical assessment panels) which decide who gets a needed operation and who doesn't. If you're 70 in Canada and diagnosed with cancer you may be sent home with pain pills to die.

Comrade zerO's "ObamaCare has the same provisions concerning "medical assessment panels" (wink, wink) who will send your loved one home to die if it's deemed not financially practical to prolong his or her life. But hey, if zerO wants it, the Loonys will dutifully follow like lemmings right off the cliff.

Btw, ObamaCare is not carved in stone, the majority of the population is against it and when the GOP takes over congress in Nov. and zerO is sent packing in '12, don't be surprised to see a repealing of zerO's socialized death panel healthcare.

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"after the baby-boomers die". That a very telling remark because Canada's healthcare is based upon "need". What they don't tell you is who determines "need". Canada has "death panels" ( although they don't use that term, they refer to them as medical assessment panels) which decide who gets a needed operation and who doesn't. If you're 70 in Canada and diagnosed with cancer you may be sent home with pain pills to die.

Comrade zerO's "ObamaCare has the same provisions concerning "medical assessment panels" (wink, wink) who will send your loved one home to die if it's deemed not financially practical to prolong his or her life. But hey, if zerO wants it, the Loonys will dutifully follow like lemmings right off the cliff.

Btw, ObamaCare is not carved in stone, the majority of the population is against it and when the GOP takes over congress in Nov. and zerO is sent packing in '12, don't be surprised to see a repealing of zerO's socialized death panel healthcare.

Well, at least you're lying in the appropriate topic. Before the new law, the insurance companies decided who was approved for surgery. We've had "death panels" for years, if that's what you insist on calling it.

What do you think is fairer to the people who need care: having the decision whether to pay for surgery made by an insurance company, which has a conflict of interest and a vested interest to deny treatment; or an independent panel whose main function is to serve the people?

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"after the baby-boomers die". That a very telling remark because Canada's healthcare is based upon "need". What they don't tell you is who determines "need". Canada has "death panels" ( although they don't use that term, they refer to them as medical assessment panels) which decide who gets a needed operation and who doesn't. If you're 70 in Canada and diagnosed with cancer you may be sent home with pain pills to die.

Comrade zerO's "ObamaCare has the same provisions concerning "medical assessment panels" (wink, wink) who will send your loved one home to die if it's deemed not financially practical to prolong his or her life. But hey, if zerO wants it, the Loonys will dutifully follow like lemmings right off the cliff.

Btw, ObamaCare is not carved in stone, the majority of the population is against it and when the GOP takes over congress in Nov. and zerO is sent packing in '12, don't be surprised to see a repealing of zerO's socialized death panel healthcare.

And in the United States, under the old system before the new law, you could be denied coverage if you were twenty years old – or any age. Insurance companies did it all the time. It increased their profits.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/...Aetna_Loses.asp

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/08/business/fi-cigna8

http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/pres...-of-claims.html

http://law.freeadvice.com/insurance_law/in...ies-surgery.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/CancerPrevention...8257&page=1

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7414442&page=1

http://www.katu.com/news/87459997.html

That’s why new law was put in, Stupid. See, for example http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/26/...in6335430.shtml

And hey, Stupid, remember the little boy standing next to President Obama at the signing ceremony? He was there because his mother died because she had no medical insurance. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/24/na...boy24-2010mar24

There are plenty more stories like these. All I did was Google “insurance company denies surgery death”. You can do the same thing if you’re at all interested in the truth.

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Well, at least you're lying in the appropriate topic. Before the new law, the insurance companies decided who was approved for surgery. We've had "death panels" for years, if that's what you insist on calling it.

What do you think is fairer to the people who need care: having the decision whether to pay for surgery made by an insurance company, which has a conflict of interest and a vested interest to deny treatment; or an independent panel whose main function is to serve the people?

If you weren't such a naive Obama Zombie you would understand that "pre-existing conditions" and other excuses insurance companies use for denying

coverage could be easily eliminated by federal law. Comrade zerO used pre-existing conditions etc. as a pretext for pushing through ObamaCare, a total socialization of our healthcare system. And Loonys like yourself bought into this federal takeover just like you bought into his many campaign promises that you've never seen, remember "I'll have the most open and above-board administration in history" ??

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If you weren't such a naive Obama Zombie you would understand that "pre-existing conditions" and other excuses insurance companies use for denying

coverage could be easily eliminated by federal law. Comrade zerO used pre-existing conditions etc. as a pretext for pushing through ObamaCare, a total socialization of our healthcare system. And Loonys like yourself bought into this federal takeover just like you bought into his many campaign promises that you've never seen, remember "I'll have the most open and above-board administration in history" ??

Yet again, 2stupid4words is lying.

1. The new law, by 2014, will eliminate pre-existing conditions as an excuse for denying coverage. I would have preferred sooner but this is a definite step in the right direction.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article...ting-conditions

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html

Elimination of the pre-existing conditions excuse is not a pretext. It is a reason. This change in the law will help millions of Americans gain better access to medical care. Just because 2stupid4words would prefer to have 47 million Americans go without coverage doesn't mean that giving them coverage is a "pretext."

2. The new law is not a "total socialization of our healthcare system." That is a lie. Doctors still will own private practices, companies still will own and operate private hospitals, privately owned insurance and pharmaceutical companies will continue to operate. I wish the insurance companies had been eliminated but they weren't. Total socialization would mean that the government owns and operates all of it with no private involvement. The privately owned medical practices, hospitals, insurance and pharmaceutical companies would have to cease to exist. That's just not what the new law does. It's a lie.

There's no nice way of putting it. 2stupid4words is lying again and he doesn't care that he's lying. He will say anything to vent his hatred toward President Obama and his brainless contempt toward anyone who doesn't agree with him and his radical agenda.

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Yet again, 2stupid4words is lying.

1. The new law, by 2014, will eliminate pre-existing conditions as an excuse for denying coverage. I would have preferred sooner but this is a definite step in the right direction.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article...ting-conditions

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html

Elimination of the pre-existing conditions excuse is not a pretext. It is a reason. This change in the law will help millions of Americans gain better access to medical care. Just because 2stupid4words would prefer to have 47 million Americans go without coverage doesn't mean that giving them coverage is a "pretext."

2. The new law is not a "total socialization of our healthcare system." That is a lie. Doctors still will own private practices, companies still will own and operate private hospitals, privately owned insurance and pharmaceutical companies will continue to operate. I wish the insurance companies had been eliminated but they weren't. Total socialization would mean that the government owns and operates all of it with no private involvement. The privately owned medical practices, hospitals, insurance and pharmaceutical companies would have to cease to exist. That's just not what the new law does. It's a lie.

There's no nice way of putting it. 2stupid4words is lying again and he doesn't care that he's lying. He will say anything to vent his hatred toward President Obama and his brainless contempt toward anyone who doesn't agree with him and his radical agenda.

Don't get too comfortable with socialized zerOcare. Nov. will see congress swing back to GOP control and 2 years later zerO gets shipped back to ChiTown.

Once a Republican is back in the white house, there will be a bill introduced that will repeal zerOcare. Polls right now are showing 56% of the population oppose zerO and that number will rise as zerOcare costs are exposed as being far greater than stated by the Loons.

zerOcare will become just a footnote in history and America will never again elect an inexperience inner-city community organizer with terrorist friends.

Future generations will scratch their heads and wonder how an entire political party (the Loonies) lost their minds and elected an empty suit with an empty resume.

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Today’s collection of lies by 2stupid4words can be found at http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php...st&p=105813

He claims that President Obama’s approval rating is at 45%. That is a lie. The only poll that even suggests that leaves out 9% of the people. His average poll numbers have held steady for quite some time at more than 45% [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html ] and far higher than the 31% approval rating for Congressional Republicans. http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

2stupid4words also claims that President Obama “blew off D-day ceremonies to go to theatre with Michelle.” 2stupid4words makes it sound like date night. That is also a lie. President Obama went to Ford’s theatre with Michelle on official business. They were part of a ceremony to commemorate the 4th of July. So it wasn’t just a night out at the theatre. They were commemorating Independence Day. http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018917693

Furthermore, there were no particular ceremonies for him to blow off, and none in the evening with which the event at Ford Theatre would have conflicted. President Obama has done nothing different than was done by George W. Bush, who also did not participate in any D-day ceremony during several years of his presidency. http://mediamatters.org/research/201006070009

Finally, 2stupid4words claims that President Obama has yet to come out publicly in support of Israel, supposedly because he does not want to upset Hamas. That is a lie. President Obama has long supported Israel against Hamas, and in fact has called Hamas a terrorist organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_...n_policy#Israel http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1636948020080416

2stupid4words: all lies all the time.

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Don't get too comfortable with socialized zerOcare. Nov. will see congress swing back to GOP control and 2 years later zerO gets shipped back to ChiTown.

Once a Republican is back in the white house, there will be a bill introduced that will repeal zerOcare. Polls right now are showing 56% of the population oppose zerO and that number will rise as zerOcare costs are exposed as being far greater than stated by the Loons.

zerOcare will become just a footnote in history and America will never again elect an inexperience inner-city community organizer with terrorist friends.

Future generations will scratch their heads and wonder how an entire political party (the Loonies) lost their minds and elected an empty suit with an empty resume.

You just called the majority of the American people Loonies, Mr. Giuliani. You seem to be confusing "loony" with "losing."

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You just called the majority of the American people Loonies, Mr. Giuliani. You seem to be confusing "loony" with "losing."

With Obama's aproval rating 45% and dropping and congress's rating at 20 something, "majority" of the people is a thing of the past.