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Being that we're approaching Christmas, a National Holiday, I'm wondering if Kearny will recognize the National Holiday and the historic celebration with an equally historic Christmas Tree. Or will they succumb to political correctness and call it a holiday tree or whatever.

Out of respect to those murdered in California and elsewhere, lets stand up to our Christian values and call it what it is, a Christmas Tree. God bless America.

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Being that we're approaching Christmas, a National Holiday, I'm wondering if Kearny will recognize the National Holiday and the historic celebration with an equally historic Christmas Tree. Or will they succumb to political correctness and call it a holiday tree or whatever.

Out of respect to those murdered in California and elsewhere, lets stand up to our Christian values and call it what it is, a Christmas Tree. God bless America.

Your annual fox inspired xmas rant is a little late this year isn't it? Predictable buffoonery.

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Guest Ned

Holy crap they had an hour-long ceremony at Town Hall featuring Christmas songs followed by a festival with Santa, Frosty, and a DJ playing Christmas music. What more do you want??

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Guest Just Judy

Kearny is a left wing liberal town, no Patriots here. The word "Christmas" is offensive here, just as "Radical Islamic Terrorism" is offensive to Obama.

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We've had this discussion ad nauseam. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38807-town-hall-christmas-tree/

The story still doesn't make sense. It's not true. It never happened. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38617-the-story-doesnt-make-sense/

The annual whine is about how some Christians (not all) are hypocritical, arrogant and self-entitled. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38831-hypocrisy-arrogance-and-self-entitlement/

The real reason Christians are upset is that they know the story doesn't make sense, even though they refuse to admit it. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38832-the-real-reason-why-people-are-upset/

If you want to discuss these things, or put your religion into the public square, then be willing to take criticism of your ideas. You can't have it both ways. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38829-they-cant-have-it-both-ways/

Be reasonable. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38848-be-reasonable/

Go ahead, whiners, there are a half a dozen topics, with dozens of questions that you'll never answer. Because you can't. You just want everything your way, and for everyone to worship as you do. That's hypocritical, arrogant and self-entitled (see above).

Who knows, maybe this will resurrect KOTW, which is pretty much dead.

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We've had this discussion ad nauseam. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38807-town-hall-christmas-tree/

The story still doesn't make sense. It's not true. It never happened. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38617-the-story-doesnt-make-sense/

The annual whine is about how some Christians (not all) are hypocritical, arrogant and self-entitled. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38831-hypocrisy-arrogance-and-self-entitlement/

The real reason Christians are upset is that they know the story doesn't make sense, even though they refuse to admit it. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38832-the-real-reason-why-people-are-upset/

If you want to discuss these things, or put your religion into the public square, then be willing to take criticism of your ideas. You can't have it both ways. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38829-they-cant-have-it-both-ways/

Be reasonable. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38848-be-reasonable/

Go ahead, whiners, there are a half a dozen topics, with dozens of questions that you'll never answer. Because you can't. You just want everything your way, and for everyone to worship as you do. That's hypocritical, arrogant and self-entitled (see above).

Who knows, maybe this will resurrect KOTW, which is pretty much dead.

KOTW will not be resurrected as long as the self proclaimed "smart" "pseudo patriot" monopolizes the conversations with juvenile, repetitive, predictable non sequiturs.

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We've had this discussion ad nauseam. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38807-town-hall-christmas-tree/

The story still doesn't make sense. It's not true. It never happened. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38617-the-story-doesnt-make-sense/

The annual whine is about how some Christians (not all) are hypocritical, arrogant and self-entitled. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38831-hypocrisy-arrogance-and-self-entitlement/

The real reason Christians are upset is that they know the story doesn't make sense, even though they refuse to admit it. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38832-the-real-reason-why-people-are-upset/

If you want to discuss these things, or put your religion into the public square, then be willing to take criticism of your ideas. You can't have it both ways. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38829-they-cant-have-it-both-ways/

Be reasonable. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38848-be-reasonable/

Go ahead, whiners, there are a half a dozen topics, with dozens of questions that you'll never answer. Because you can't. You just want everything your way, and for everyone to worship as you do. That's hypocritical, arrogant and self-entitled (see above).

Who knows, maybe this will resurrect KOTW, which is pretty much dead.

This may draw some whining and some name-calling but there will be no good answers.

Because there aren't any.

Every year, we hear the same incessant and ridiculous whine, about nothing.

Too bad these so-called "Christians can't just enjoy their holiday, and let everyone else enjoy theirs.

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We've had this discussion ad nauseam. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38807-town-hall-christmas-tree/

The story still doesn't make sense. It's not true. It never happened. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38617-the-story-doesnt-make-sense/

The annual whine is about how some Christians (not all) are hypocritical, arrogant and self-entitled. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38831-hypocrisy-arrogance-and-self-entitlement/

The real reason Christians are upset is that they know the story doesn't make sense, even though they refuse to admit it. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38832-the-real-reason-why-people-are-upset/

If you want to discuss these things, or put your religion into the public square, then be willing to take criticism of your ideas. You can't have it both ways. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38829-they-cant-have-it-both-ways/

Be reasonable. http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38848-be-reasonable/

Go ahead, whiners, there are a half a dozen topics, with dozens of questions that you'll never answer. Because you can't. You just want everything your way, and for everyone to worship as you do. That's hypocritical, arrogant and self-entitled (see above).

Who knows, maybe this will resurrect KOTW, which is pretty much dead.

You've managed to describe yourself pretty much perfectly...... Don't care much for religion personally, but i've never had a Christian try to force themselves on me, like you to to them. Here's a pro-tip for you....dont be such a Jerkoff all the time.

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You've managed to describe yourself pretty much perfectly...... Don't care much for religion personally, but i've never had a Christian try to force themselves on me, like you to to them. Here's a pro-tip for you....dont be such a Jerkoff all the time.

Making considered arguments on a public forum, which is open to the public, is not forcing anything on anyone. People come here voluntarily, and are free to read or ignore as they choose. A series of topics was opened in response to the continual whining by a few self-described Christians in the community who think that the entire town should be forced to celebrate their religion. The topics invite discussion of that issue, and other issues pertaining to Christianity. That's not forcing, it's opening a dialogue - which, of course, never occurred, because the whiners cannot defend their position. So instead of calling names, how about defending your remarks? How is opening topics and inviting discussion forcing anything on anyone?

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You're wrong on a number of points. First of all, Christmas is not a religious holiday, there is no religion or church attached to Christmas. Secondly, Christmas is a federal holiday and for hundreds of years a "Christmas Tree" has been decorated as a symbol of the birth of Christ. Christ was a philosopher, he was not a Christian, he was not associated with any church. Towns such as Kearny naively think decorating a "Christmas Tree" is a violation of "Separation of Church and State", even though Christmas is not associated with any church.

I don't expect the Town of Kearny to recognize their misunderstanding of Christmas, I'm sure they will continue to decorate a bogus holiday tree or whatever they're calling it.

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This country was founded on Christianity. Catholics celebrate Christmas so it's a Christmas tree. Pagan holidays celebrated by Muslims and other fringe religions such as African voodoo take a back seat on December 25th and every other day.

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This country was founded on Christianity. Catholics celebrate Christmas so it's a Christmas tree. Pagan holidays celebrated by Muslims and other fringe religions such as African voodoo take a back seat on December 25th and every other day.

I don't care what your country was founded on...I created all the people on earth, and I don't play favorites. You don't want to piss me off.

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So one right winger says that it's OK to promote Christmas because it is a religious holiday, and the other one says it's OK because it isn't. Of course, it is a religious holiday (which isn't negated just because government promotes it), and there's nothing wrong with celebrating it. But it's not the only holiday. In a country that values religious liberty, no one's religion takes a back seat to anyone else's. That's what this is really about. The whiners want special privileges. Whine on, those days are over.

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You're wrong on a number of points. First of all, Christmas is not a religious holiday, there is no religion or church attached to Christmas. Secondly, Christmas is a federal holiday and for hundreds of years a "Christmas Tree" has been decorated as a symbol of the birth of Christ. Christ was a philosopher, he was not a Christian, he was not associated with any church. Towns such as Kearny naively think decorating a "Christmas Tree" is a violation of "Separation of Church and State", even though Christmas is not associated with any church.

I don't expect the Town of Kearny to recognize their misunderstanding of Christmas, I'm sure they will continue to decorate a bogus holiday tree or whatever they're calling it.

You made the same stupid arguments last time. They were thoroughly demolished, and of course you had no answer for any of it. (http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38807-town-hall-christmas-tree/page-2) See especially posts 22 and 24.

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You made the same stupid arguments last time. They were thoroughly demolished, and of course you had no answer for any of it. (http://forums.kearnyontheweb.com/index.php?/topic/38807-town-hall-christmas-tree/page-2) See especially posts 22 and 24.

He should read Matthew 16:13-20, where Jesus (supposedly) tells Peter, "On this rock I will build my church." Then he gives Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Mighty strange philosophy. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A13-20&version=KJV

Religious leaders, not philosophers, build churches. Religious leaders with grandiose ideas presume to give people the keys to heaven. But of course, some people have to have an excuse for forcing their religion on everyone else, so they take Christianity and pretend that it's just a philosophy and not a religion.

It's called lying for Jesus.

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Actually everything Kearny Taxpayer said is correct. It's obvious you know nothing about this.

That adds nothing, and says nothing. Here's commentary that both says and adds something.

Kearny Taxpayer claims that "Christmas is not a religious holiday, there is no religion or church attached to Christmas." That's just plain stupid. Christmas is a religious holiday, which is celebrated in Christian churches all over the world. It is not celebrated in Jewish synagogues, Islamic mosques, Hindu or Buddhist temples or Humanist meeting places. That's because Christmas is a high holiday in the Christian religion, not in those other religions. [KOTE Note: Broken link removed]

The only reason Kearny Taxpayer is claiming that Christmas is not a religious holiday is that he wants to force Christmas celebrations on everyone. If Christmas wasn't a religious holiday, then he could do it. But it is, which is why Christmas masses are celebrated in Catholic churches, and Christmas services are celebrated in Christian churches, not in Town Hall or state or federal legislative chambers.

It's very sad to watch people like "Kearny Taxpayer" turn a beautiful holiday like Christmas into something divisive by trying to force it on everyone, and whining because a very nice display at Kearny Town Hall doesn't go far enough to establish Christianity as the Town's official religion. In a country dedicated to religious liberty for everyone, we can't do that.

Christians, you have a holiday that can be celebrated in a beautiful way. Stop whining that some people have another holiday, or choose to respect the holidays of all religions at this time of year.

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Content. Broken link.

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Christmas is not a religious holiday . . .

All the Christian churches say that Christmas is a religious holiday. They all celebrate it as such. One of our resident right wing D**ba**es says it isn't. Of course, government can make it a secular holiday too, but then displays at town halls must also be secular - which is exactly what the self-proclaimed Christians are whining about. In this country, you have the freedom to ignore the facts and be a complete D**bA**. Take your pick.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p3.htm(Article III, Paragraph 3, section 512)

http://www.audiosancto.org/inc/BC3/bc3-35.html

http://www.religionfacts.com/christmas

http://atheism.about.com/od/religioussymbolsholidays/a/secularxmas.htm

http://www.interfaithcalendar.org/2016.htm

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So one right winger says that it's OK to promote Christmas because it is a religious holiday, and the other one says it's OK because it isn't. Of course, it is a religious holiday (which isn't negated just because government promotes it), and there's nothing wrong with celebrating it. But it's not the only holiday. In a country that values religious liberty, no one's religion takes a back seat to anyone else's. That's what this is really about. The whiners want special privileges. Whine on, those days are over.

What other religion, besides Christianity, has a holiday (holy day) on December 25??

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What other religion, besides Christianity, has a holiday (holy day) on December 25??

Exactly. Christians in the United States don't see their own special privileges. Is that the import of your question? If not, then what is?

What other race of people was enslaved in the United States besides black Africans? Just because we did it doesn't mean we should have done it. People looked at religion very differently 100 and 200 years ago. Only recently have we taken equal treatment under the law seriously.

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Here is a list of holidays celebrated across the world on December 25. Most of them are secular. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_25#Holidays_and_observances

What other RELIGION (who mentioned secular) in the U.S.A.( major groups living within the U.S., not ACROSS THE WORLD) has a holiday (holy day) celebrated on December 25?? This comment was made in reference to those who want to celebrate all religious holidays at this time of year. What sense does that make? Also, Christmas is a federal holiday, like it or not. Enough said, getting boring.

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Kearny needs to encourage more African Americans, Hispanics and Muslims to live in town. Kearny lacks the beautiful multi-cultural mosaic that places like Newark and Jersey City possess. The immediate recognition of Kwanza, Tres Reyes and Ramadan should be showcased with displays and taxpayer funded festivals and parades down Kearny Avenue. It's almost 2016 and the lack of a warm welcome of these hard working dreamers leaves a lot to be desired.

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What other RELIGION (who mentioned secular) in the U.S.A.( major groups living within the U.S., not ACROSS THE WORLD) has a holiday (holy day) celebrated on December 25?? This comment was made in reference to those who want to celebrate all religious holidays at this time of year. What sense does that make? Also, Christmas is a federal holiday, like it or not. Enough said, getting boring.

It's a federal holiday, so what? You can't do an end run around the Constitution by declaring one religion's holidays to be government holidays.

It's boring every year this gets brought up. So why do the whiners continue to do it?

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