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I'm secure in my religion. I'd rather talk about the danger this socialist fool zerO is placing our country in. Our debt is nearing 18 trillion (zerO has added more trillions to the debt than every previous president combined). Our southern border is gone and zerO won't go there. The average family income is down almost

$4,000. zerO's approval is down to 36% and continues to drop. A commentator on NBC (a left wing network) called zerO " feckless", That speaks volumes coming

from NBC.

We know what you would rather talk about. You do it day after day, for years, and haven't convinced anyone. Your rants against President Obama are completely one-sided, and ignore all the facts that don't support the conclusions you want to draw. Our national debt is a result of irresponsible policies dating back to Reagan, interrupted by responsibility during Clinton's terms, then put on steroids during Bush's disastrous terms. Our southern border was never there, only now kids are coming from at least two unstable countries because it's not safe for them to live there. Average family income is down because of the global economy, and Republican policies that have redistributed wealth to the 1% and gone a long way toward annihilating the middle class. We've been over all of this, and you've never responded to any of it.

What we haven't been over, since you refuse to discuss it, are the absurdities of your religion. Your personal and subjective comfort with a ridiculous story means absolutely nothing - especially when coupled with your unreasoning position on every subject you touch, your authoritarian personality and your complete refusal to discuss any of the things you say you believe.

WHY are you comfortable with a story that calls eternal torture justice, and even worse, hands out this punishment solely because someone believes in another religion, or sincerely believes that they are all just inventions of the human mind - which is what the evidence supports?

WHY are you comfortable with a story that says there is a God who offered salvation (from a hell he created) on condition that people believe in his Son - yet most of the world never heard the stories for centuries after the Son supposedly made this sacrifice? There are so many levels on which this part of the story makes no sense at all. It's obviously a cultural artifact, born in a particular time and place to serve the fantasies of the people who invented it. WHY are you comfortable with it?

WHY are you comfortable with ANY theology, when it is obvious that people make up stories about gods, and have been doing that for all of history? Your own first commandment warns against worshiping false gods. That means that there are gods that people just made up, they're false, not real. WHY is your story different from those in a way that makes it believable?

We've answered all your rants. You don't even try to advance the argument. In fact, you probably don't even know what that means. You can't have a reasonable discussion that way. All you can do is show everyone what a jackass you are. That, you're good at, but how about trying to have an intelligent discussion, where you actually discuss what the other person has said? Disagree with me, but give intelligent reasons based on facts.

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I'm secure in my religion. I'd rather talk about . . .

So you read the topic, commented on it, and said absolutely nothing.

The fact that you refuse to discuss your own religion is what speaks volumes.

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WHY are you comfortable with ANY theology, when it is obvious that people make up stories about gods, and have been doing that for all of history? Your own first commandment warns against worshiping false gods. That means that there are gods that people just made up, they're false, not real. WHY is your story different from those in a way that makes it believable?

As a boy, I used to watch Billy Graham's televised "crusades." One time, he said: "There are 23 theories of evolution. That means that 22 of them are wrong. And if 22 of them are wrong, all 23 could be wrong."

Apparently it never occurred to him that there are thousands of religions.

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Come on, 2dim. Nobody's playing your stupid game. If you really believe in your fairy-tale religion, come out from under your bed and discuss it.

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The Christian narrative, literally interpreted, is still ridiculous. Ignoring the facts won't make them go away. Notice how these so-called Christians don't even try to defend their fairy-tale religion.

Burying your head in the sand, and refusing to see the truth, is profoundly irresponsible. If that's where your religion takes you, then it's time to change your religion.

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The Christian narrative, literally interpreted, is still ridiculous. Ignoring the facts won't make them go away. Notice how these so-called Christians don't even try to defend their fairy-tale religion.

Burying your head in the sand, and refusing to see the truth, is profoundly irresponsible. If that's where your religion takes you, then it's time to change your religion.

Only if you care about the truth. Many people would rather live in a fantasy world. They feel safer there.

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2dim,

Instead of indulging fantasies about the November elections, discuss one topic intelligently. You could pick this one, and tell us why your fairy-tale religion makes sense.

(Of course, you could just admit that it doesn't.)

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You are aware that you're in an extreme minority with your angry, mean-spirited rhetoric?

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You are aware that you're in an extreme minority with your angry, mean-spirited rhetoric?

I don't care if I'm the only person saying it. It's still the truth.

If you don't think so, then engage in a dialogue. Point out where I'm wrong, and tell me why I'm wrong. You'll find that I can be very respectful when that respect is mutual.

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You are aware that you're in an extreme minority with your angry, mean-spirited rhetoric?

Unfortunately, in this culture, being honest about someone else's religion violates a taboo. The post that opened this topic is quite specific, and squarely on target. It makes a very strong case - I think a compelling case - why the Christian narrative, literally interpreted, is obviously not true. That's without even mentioning all the talking animals and other palpably ridiculous statements in the Bible. Yet virtually no one is willing to be honest about it, because the Christian religion has a kind of stranglehold on our culture. That's not rhetoric. It's an honest assessment of a very serious problem.

I assume you're trying to be fair-minded and even-handed. But when you ignore a very solid criticism and only point out that the writer is angry after being ignored on some very important points, you're stating the obvious to no good end, because the anger is justified, much as you may not like it. No fair discussion can be had until that stranglehold is broken and the taboos put aside. Better, then, that you would engage in an intelligent dialogue on the subject.

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You are aware that you're in an extreme minority with your angry, mean-spirited rhetoric?

If you ignore people, eventually they will fight back. Put those of us who recognize the problems with literally-interpreted Christian theology in a position where we can either be ignored or treated like second-class citizens, and we're going to fight back. When we're being treated unfairly, we are not obligated to be nice. Treat us with respect, and we'll do the same with you.

Know justice, know peace.

No justice, no peace.

Take your pick.

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Personally, I couldn't care one iota what the loony atheists think or do, they're just another moronic fringe group looking for attention. They can take their justice and shove it.

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Unfortunately, in this culture, being honest about someone else's religion violates a taboo. The post that opened this topic is quite specific, and squarely on target. It makes a very strong case - I think a compelling case - why the Christian narrative, literally interpreted, is obviously not true. That's without even mentioning all the talking animals and other palpably ridiculous statements in the Bible. Yet virtually no one is willing to be honest about it, because the Christian religion has a kind of stranglehold on our culture. That's not rhetoric. It's an honest assessment of a very serious problem.

I assume you're trying to be fair-minded and even-handed. But when you ignore a very solid criticism and only point out that the writer is angry after being ignored on some very important points, you're stating the obvious to no good end, because the anger is justified, much as you may not like it. No fair discussion can be had until that stranglehold is broken and the taboos put aside. Better, then, that you would engage in an intelligent dialogue on the subject.

No, it's being an asshole SOLELY for the sake of being an asshole........And this is coming from someone who is NOT a Christian. The amusing thing is i doubt you'd have the balls to walk up to someone on the street and do the same thing face to face.

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No, it's being an asshole SOLELY for the sake of being an asshole........And this is coming from someone who is NOT a Christian. The amusing thing is i doubt you'd have the balls to walk up to someone on the street and do the same thing face to face.

No, it's not. When a culture refuses to abandon its ancient myths, it inhibits its own growth, gives license to irresponsibility, and turns religion into exactly the opposite of what it should be: a vehicle for indulging our worst inclinations instead of a source of wisdom and inspiration that lifts us up to higher ground. That's what it's about. That so many people take the Bible as being literally true, in an age when we have so much information, is shocking. You can call names and challenge my courage all day long. But what you can't seem to do is address the very real issue that we live in a culture that parades nonsense around as truth. If you think I act like an asshole, that's my problem, not yours.

Post again. Only this time, instead of calling names and resorting to ad hominem attacks, address the issues raised in the opening post.

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No, it's being an asshole SOLELY for the sake of being an asshole........And this is coming from someone who is NOT a Christian. The amusing thing is i doubt you'd have the balls to walk up to someone on the street and do the same thing face to face.

Give me a break. If someone tries to discuss this topic respectfully, that gets ignored. If someone shouts before making some very solid points, the shout is used as an excuse to ignore all the content. Either way, you'll do anything to avoid discussing the issues. So who are you kidding?

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Of course you're right. This pathetic atheist is your typical keyboard commando, lots of bravado in his posts but a frail little boy in person.

No justice, no peace. Really, little boy? LOL

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Isn't it fascinating that people come here to comment and criticize, but they don't say one word to defend this ridiculous theology.

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Personally, I couldn't care one iota what the loony atheists think or do, they're just another moronic fringe group looking for attention. They can take their justice and shove it.

No, you wouldn't care. The concerns of people you don't understand are invisible to you. If you don't understand it, you dismiss it. That's one of the main reasons why you're a bigot.

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Of course you're right. This pathetic atheist is your typical keyboard commando, lots of bravado in his posts but a frail little boy in person.

No justice, no peace. Really, little boy? LOL

You don't seem to understand what content is. You're not saying anything, just making ad hominem attacks on the person, whom you don't even know, when the issue is the issue.

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According to the God babblers who keep posting here, there is a God who sent his only divine Son to die on a cross so that those who believed in him may be saved from eternal torment. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but shall have eternal life." (John 3:16)

The story is obviously a ridiculous fairy tale. I'm not saying it to be mean. I'm saying it because the God babblers keep forcing their religion on us, and - along with many others - I'm sick of it. They want to talk about their religion, and push it on everyone. OK, then let's talk about it. If it wasn't for their incessant pushing, I wouldn't do this.

In the first place, Christians can't even get their story straight. Is it a lake of fire and eternal torment, or merely death and annihilation? Assuming the former, God would be a sociopath and a psychopath, making the story a horrid fairy tale. Assuming the latter, the story is merely a fairy tale.

Second, assume the story to be true. According to the story, God offered himself as a sacrifice, out of love, for each and every person on earth. The offer, per John 3:16, was extended to the whole world, and salvation is granted to everyone "who believes in him." You can't believe in someone you've never heard of. If the story was true, every person who ever lived, since Jesus died, would have known about the story, thereby having the chance to believe. Yet when white Europeans encountered native peoples all over the world, in remote areas, from the late medieval period into the 20th century, they had never heard the story. They had no chance to believe. But according to the fairy tale, their salvation was conditioned on belief. Surely God would have the power to send an angel to tell everyone about the most important thing he ever did, the thing that would offer them salvation. Yet somehow, most of the world never heard the story. This is proof beyond any reasonable doubt that the story is a cultural artifact, born of a particular time and place. It is not universal. It isn't true. It never happened. If it had happened, everyone who ever lived since Jesus died would have heard about it. God would have made sure of that - if that God existed.

I cannot prove whether there is or is not a God. But the use of a little reason proves beyond any doubt that this version of God is a fairy tale.

You wanted to discuss your religion, God babblers. You want an officially sanctioned Christmas tree, not just a holiday tree. In only seven months, you can start whining about that again. Again, I'm not saying this, in this forum, for any other reason except that you keep shoving your religion down our throats. Here's your chance to show everyone why the things written here are not true. You wanted to discuss your religion. Go ahead.

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According to the God babblers who keep posting here, there is a God who sent his only divine Son to die on a cross so that those who believed in him may be saved from eternal torment. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but shall have eternal life." (John 3:16)

The story is obviously a ridiculous fairy tale. I'm not saying it to be mean. I'm saying it because the God babblers keep forcing their religion on us, and - along with many others - I'm sick of it. They want to talk about their religion, and push it on everyone. OK, then let's talk about it. If it wasn't for their incessant pushing, I wouldn't do this.

In the first place, Christians can't even get their story straight. Is it a lake of fire and eternal torment, or merely death and annihilation? Assuming the former, God would be a sociopath and a psychopath, making the story a horrid fairy tale. Assuming the latter, the story is merely a fairy tale.

Second, assume the story to be true. According to the story, God offered himself as a sacrifice, out of love, for each and every person on earth. The offer, per John 3:16, was extended to the whole world, and salvation is granted to everyone "who believes in him." You can't believe in someone you've never heard of. If the story was true, every person who ever lived, since Jesus died, would have known about the story, thereby having the chance to believe. Yet when white Europeans encountered native peoples all over the world, in remote areas, from the late medieval period into the 20th century, they had never heard the story. They had no chance to believe. But according to the fairy tale, their salvation was conditioned on belief. Surely God would have the power to send an angel to tell everyone about the most important thing he ever did, the thing that would offer them salvation. Yet somehow, most of the world never heard the story. This is proof beyond any reasonable doubt that the story is a cultural artifact, born of a particular time and place. It is not universal. It isn't true. It never happened. If it had happened, everyone who ever lived since Jesus died would have heard about it. God would have made sure of that - if that God existed.

I cannot prove whether there is or is not a God. But the use of a little reason proves beyond any doubt that this version of God is a fairy tale.

You wanted to discuss your religion, God babblers. You want an officially sanctioned Christmas tree, not just a holiday tree. In only seven months, you can start whining about that again. Again, I'm not saying this, in this forum, for any other reason except that you keep shoving your religion down our throats. Here's your chance to show everyone why the things written here are not true. You wanted to discuss your religion. Go ahead.

It's not a blank post. It's a post that has been waiting for answers for months.

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The story still doesn't make any sense. Before so-called Kearny Christian starts whining about the town not turning the town hall into a cathedral this year, how about being honest about what the Christian narrative really is.

It's a story. That's all it ever was, and all it ever will be.

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You're up early, 5 am on a Sunday. You must be going to early mass. God bless you.

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There's a great scene, apparently based on a true event in the life of mathematician John Nash. For years, he has been "seeing" a man and a young girl, who suddenly appear to him unannounced and out of the blue. Of course, he's hallucinating. He thinks they're real, until one day when he realizes that this little girl has been eight years old for many years. With his wife about to leave him, he jumps on the hood of their car as she is trying to get away and says "you're right, she never gets older."

How long will it take before people accept the fact that the Jesus story - along with the talking animals, the man who lived inside a great fish, etc. - never happened.

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