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Your problem, Mr. Far Left Loon, is that YOU don't think beyond the narrow borders of your far left ideology. Like I said already, if you can't afford health insurance, work a second job, cut out the cigarettes and booze, do whatever you have to do to pay for it. Stay out of my pockets. Go live in France if you want a nanny state.

2stupid4words is 2stupid2realize that he just proved the point. A healthy population that has access to health care is more important than ideological rants about nanny states and "leave me alone."

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So under your rules Jesus would be uninsured if he were alive and preaching today?

The argument about Jesus is of limited value, since he was just a man, if he lived at all. If Jesus had been the Son of God and truly wanted the sick to be cared for, he would have turned shacks into hospitals, or better still just eliminated disease.

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The argument about Jesus is of limited value, since he was just a man, if he lived at all. If Jesus had been the Son of God and truly wanted the sick to be cared for, he would have turned shacks into hospitals, or better still just eliminated disease.

You, the nonbeliever, can rationalize the dissonance. But how does a Christian dismiss the Gospel?

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You, the nonbeliever, can rationalize the dissonance. But how does a Christian dismiss the Gospel?

In the first place, belief is not limited to Judeo-Christian theology. There are plenty of good things to believe in that have nothing to do with that. So while you can call me a nonbeliever, it's not an accurate description.

I'm not rationalizing anything. You are, by suggesting that because of your beliefs you cannot be open to other beliefs. You say you can't accept the truth because of the beliefs you already hold, whether they make sense of not - that's a classic example of a rationalization.

I'm thinking clearly about an obvious problem with your theology. You can dismiss the "Gospel" by doing the same.

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In the first place, belief is not limited to Judeo-Christian theology. There are plenty of good things to believe in that have nothing to do with that. So while you can call me a nonbeliever, it's not an accurate description.

I'm not rationalizing anything. You are, by suggesting that because of your beliefs you cannot be open to other beliefs. You say you can't accept the truth because of the beliefs you already hold, whether they make sense of not - that's a classic example of a rationalization.

I'm thinking clearly about an obvious problem with your theology. You can dismiss the "Gospel" by doing the same.

We're using these God questions as a rhetorical device. The parameters we're using are a knock on the ones Christian-Right pundits use when they argue with people about morality and God. We know 2smart4u subscribes to these ideologues, so we use the Jesus example to trap him and make him look like a hypocrite. Don't you get it? Most of us here don't have a strict close-minded belief system. Therefore, we can take the Bible, Torah, Koran, etc. and exploit their contradictions to get people like 2smart4u fired up... and to make them look incredibly silly. I know sarcasm is sometimes difficult to understand in print, but COME ON.

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In the first place, belief is not limited to Judeo-Christian theology. There are plenty of good things to believe in that have nothing to do with that. So while you can call me a nonbeliever, it's not an accurate description.

I'm not rationalizing anything. You are, by suggesting that because of your beliefs you cannot be open to other beliefs. You say you can't accept the truth because of the beliefs you already hold, whether they make sense of not - that's a classic example of a rationalization.

I'm thinking clearly about an obvious problem with your theology. You can dismiss the "Gospel" by doing the same.

That's a pseudo-intellectual response that doesn't change the validity of what I said.

I presumed you don't believe in Jesus as the Biblical Savior. (You can believe in anything you want, I never said that you didn't, or shouldn't, only that you don't believe in Jesus as presented in the Bible.) On the other hand for those persons who do profess to believe in Christ, then I'd like to know how they can dismiss or ignore Jesus's teachings in the Gospel. Once again, how does a Christian oppose expanding healthcare to those without when the Biblical Jesus says to take care of the sick?

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That's a pseudo-intellectual response that doesn't change the validity of what I said.

I presumed you don't believe in Jesus as the Biblical Savior. (You can believe in anything you want, I never said that you didn't, or shouldn't, only that you don't believe in Jesus as presented in the Bible.) On the other hand for those persons who do profess to believe in Christ, then I'd like to know how they can dismiss or ignore Jesus's teachings in the Gospel. Once again, how does a Christian oppose expanding healthcare to those without when the Biblical Jesus says to take care of the sick?

Isn't it possible to be in favor of healthcare reform for those who have NONE, and not necessarily this power grab by the Obama administration? Not everything can be seen in a vacuum.

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We're using these God questions as a rhetorical device. The parameters we're using are a knock on the ones Christian-Right pundits use when they argue with people about morality and God. We know 2smart4u subscribes to these ideologues, so we use the Jesus example to trap him and make him look like a hypocrite. Don't you get it? Most of us here don't have a strict close-minded belief system. Therefore, we can take the Bible, Torah, Koran, etc. and exploit their contradictions to get people like 2smart4u fired up... and to make them look incredibly silly. I know sarcasm is sometimes difficult to understand in print, but COME ON.

You don't have to help 2stupid4words look stupid.

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Isn't it possible to be in favor of healthcare reform for those who have NONE, and not necessarily this power grab by the Obama administration? Not everything can be seen in a vacuum.

No it isn't, and it's not a "power grab by the Obama administration." If everyone is going to have access to health care, the government will have to provide it. There is no other way.

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No it isn't, and it's not a "power grab by the Obama administration." If everyone is going to have access to health care, the government will have to provide it. There is no other way.

"There is no other way" !! Ah yes, spoken like a true "open-minded" Kool-Aid swigging Loony.

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No it isn't, and it's not a "power grab by the Obama administration." If everyone is going to have access to health care, the government will have to provide it. There is no other way.

So, you're saying the only way is the OBAMA way. Pathetic sheep.

Any government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take anything you have. I only bring this up since you think that government is the only one that can administer such a grand undertaking. They've done SO WELL with their other social experiments.

Have you ever just pulled yourself up by your bootstraps; I don't want people doing FOR me. The most reliable helping hands I know are at the end of my own sleeves.

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"There is no other way" !! Ah yes, spoken like a true "open-minded" Kool-Aid swigging Loony.

President Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican, first proposed national health care more than 100 years ago. For more than 100 years, there were always people without access to health care and the problem kept getting worse. By the time the recent law was enacted, 47 million people were without health care coverage. That was under your system, stupid. Your system couldn't get it done. That's not guesswork. It's a fact. 47 million uninsured and millions more being added every year.

So instead of making your usual snot-nosed remark, try thinking for once.

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So, you're saying the only way is the OBAMA way. Pathetic sheep.

Any government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take anything you have. I only bring this up since you think that government is the only one that can administer such a grand undertaking. They've done SO WELL with their other social experiments.

Have you ever just pulled yourself up by your bootstraps; I don't want people doing FOR me. The most reliable helping hands I know are at the end of my own sleeves.

Yes!! Someone besides me that understands the dangers of federal government takeover of personal lives. The Founding Fathers recognized these dangers when they wrote the Constitution but apparently the far left Loonys are intent on trashing the Constitution and transforming the U.S. into a European style socialist nanny state.

Fortunately, it's not too late. Glen Beck and others on the right have awakened America to the dangerous path this socialist community organizer has started taking us down.

The Tea Party movement has grown into a formidable force, comprised of Dems, Ind, and Rep. that understand we need to take back the government and that's exactly what will begin in Nov.

To those on the far left that worship at the feet of the community organizer, I say look out, the Patriots are coming.

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Yes!! Someone besides me that understands the dangers of federal government takeover of personal lives. The Founding Fathers recognized these dangers when they wrote the Constitution but apparently the far left Loonys are intent on trashing the Constitution and transforming the U.S. into a European style socialist nanny state.

Fortunately, it's not too late. Glen Beck and others on the right have awakened America to the dangerous path this socialist community organizer has started taking us down.

The Tea Party movement has grown into a formidable force, comprised of Dems, Ind, and Rep. that understand we need to take back the government and that's exactly what will begin in Nov.

To those on the far left that worship at the feet of the community organizer, I say look out, the Patriots are coming.

I'm sorry. I couldn't understand you. Maybe you could take Bush's **** out of your mouth and Cheney's **** out of your *** long enough to form a coherent entence. Patriot my ass!

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President Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican, first proposed national health care more than 100 years ago. For more than 100 years, there were always people without access to health care and the problem kept getting worse. By the time the recent law was enacted, 47 million people were without health care coverage. That was under your system, stupid. Your system couldn't get it done. That's not guesswork. It's a fact. 47 million uninsured and millions more being added every year.

So instead of making your usual snot-nosed remark, try thinking for once.

So, Teddy Roosevelt was wrong more than 100 years ago. Just because you identify with a party or its agenda (I said identify, not necessarily belong to), doesn't mean you agree with every single issue. You should try something other than blind allegiance.

If this bill ONLY provided coverage for those who do not currently have it, I would support it. However, it rambles on and on for about 2,000 pages; I think there be fine print in some of them thar pages.

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Yes!! Someone besides me that understands the dangers of federal government takeover of personal lives. The Founding Fathers recognized these dangers when they wrote the Constitution but apparently the far left Loonys are intent on trashing the Constitution and transforming the U.S. into a European style socialist nanny state.

Fortunately, it's not too late. Glen Beck and others on the right have awakened America to the dangerous path this socialist community organizer has started taking us down.

The Tea Party movement has grown into a formidable force, comprised of Dems, Ind, and Rep. that understand we need to take back the government and that's exactly what will begin in Nov.

To those on the far left that worship at the feet of the community organizer, I say look out, the Patriots are coming.

So are you Patriots or Tea Bags? I'm still trying to figure out where you're going with this. Do you guys like Ron Paul or do you lean more towards Sarah Palin? Are you the people who want to spend all our money fighting foreign wars or are you the people who told me they're going to pull the plug on Grandma? Are you guys the folks who want to kill all the unions or are you in fact union members? Libertarians or fascists? If you can figure out where you at, let me know.

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So are you Patriots or Tea Bags? I'm still trying to figure out where you're going with this. Do you guys like Ron Paul or do you lean more towards Sarah Palin? Are you the people who want to spend all our money fighting foreign wars or are you the people who told me they're going to pull the plug on Grandma? Are you guys the folks who want to kill all the unions or are you in fact union members? Libertarians or fascists? If you can figure out where you at, let me know.

"If you can figure out where YOU at" ?? Ebonics ? I didn't realize you were black, Ko. Now I understand why you voted for a community organizer with no employment history, no management history, no history of being in charge of anything, but plenty of friends with terrorist and racist backgrounds.

I've figured out where YOU at.

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So, you're saying the only way is the OBAMA way. Pathetic sheep.

Any government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take anything you have. I only bring this up since you think that government is the only one that can administer such a grand undertaking. They've done SO WELL with their other social experiments.

Have you ever just pulled yourself up by your bootstraps; I don't want people doing FOR me. The most reliable helping hands I know are at the end of my own sleeves.

You're not paying attention. That's not what I said.

I asked you how YOU would design a system that makes sure everyone has health care coverage. You have no answer so you call names.

Government does a good job running Medicare, which is a government-run health care system that practically no one who has it wants to give up. The plan members of Congress have is also government-run, and people keep comparing their plans to that.

I'm saying that in all the decades we've had private health care system, there have always been large chunks of the population uninsured. If you can think of a way to make sure everyone is insured without having the government involved, tell us

HOW.

All the Republicans put together couldn't do it, and you can't either. Instead of calling names,

prove me wrong by

STATING YOUR PLAN.

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So, Teddy Roosevelt was wrong more than 100 years ago. Just because you identify with a party or its agenda (I said identify, not necessarily belong to), doesn't mean you agree with every single issue. You should try something other than blind allegiance.

If this bill ONLY provided coverage for those who do not currently have it, I would support it. However, it rambles on and on for about 2,000 pages; I think there be fine print in some of them thar pages.

Idiot, he was saying Teddy Roosevelt was right!

Before going off on a rant against someone, you should make sure you understand what they wrote.

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Since 1945, the U.S. Income tax rates have gradually dropped from 90% to 37.5% in 2009. This has exacerbated the income disparity in the U.S. and will eventually lead to social unrest as seen in third world countries

Income Gap Grows During Recession

Even as the economy shrank last year, the income gap—the divide between the country’s richest and poorest citizens—kept growing. In 1978, CEOs at the largest U.S. companies earned 35 times as much as the average worker. Today, that figure is more than 300:1, according to the Harvard Business Review.

In 2008, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that income inequality had reached a modern high, with the wealthiest 10% of the population earning 11.4 times as much as the poorest 10%. Research by Kevin Hallock, a professor at Cornell University, indicates that the trend persists: “From 1979 to 2009, after adjusting for inflation, the highest earners in the U.S. saw dramatic growth in their earnings while the lowest earners now make less than they did 30 years ago.”

Should the U.S. do more to address income inequality?

Results.

Yes 62

No 38

Income inequality tends to be high in places with large populations of the very rich, like southern Connecticut, or the very poor, like Brownsville, Tex. It is also high in cities like New York, Miami, and Chicago, where middle-class people have fled to the suburbs over the years.

A gap between society’s rich and poor can have ugly consequences. Countries with greater income inequality have higher rates of teen pregnancy, infant mortality, obesity, mental illness, drug use, imprisonment, and homicide than countries where wealth is more evenly distributed, according to research by epidemiologists Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett.

In the U.S., measures like the progressive income tax, Medicaid, and welfare are used to address income inequality, but some economists and advocates say that we should go further. Nations like Austria, Belgium, and the Netherlands spend 7% to 8% of national income on social services for working-age people, compared to 2% in the U.S.

That figure is unlikely to change, however, as polls show that Americans believe people get ahead in life by virtue of their own efforts. “If you think the process is just, you might think the outcome is just, even though some people are homeless and others are very comfortable,” says Gary Burtless of the Brookings Institution.

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I'm sorry. I couldn't understand you. Maybe you could take Bush's **** out of your mouth and Cheney's **** out of your *** long enough to form a coherent entence. Patriot my ass!

You can always tell when you write an accurate and hard hitting essay. The Loonys that recognize how accurate and hard hitting it is get angry and write juvenile retorts like like the one above. The Loonys are always good for a daily laugh.

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Since 1945, the U.S. Income tax rates have gradually dropped from 90% to 37.5% in 2009. This has exacerbated the income disparity in the U.S. and will eventually lead to social unrest as seen in third world countries

Income Gap Grows During Recession

Even as the economy shrank last year, the income gap—the divide between the country’s richest and poorest citizens—kept growing. In 1978, CEOs at the largest U.S. companies earned 35 times as much as the average worker. Today, that figure is more than 300:1, according to the Harvard Business Review.

In 2008, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that income inequality had reached a modern high, with the wealthiest 10% of the population earning 11.4 times as much as the poorest 10%. Research by Kevin Hallock, a professor at Cornell University, indicates that the trend persists: “From 1979 to 2009, after adjusting for inflation, the highest earners in the U.S. saw dramatic growth in their earnings while the lowest earners now make less than they did 30 years ago.”

Should the U.S. do more to address income inequality?

Results.

Yes 62

No 38

Income inequality tends to be high in places with large populations of the very rich, like southern Connecticut, or the very poor, like Brownsville, Tex. It is also high in cities like New York, Miami, and Chicago, where middle-class people have fled to the suburbs over the years.

A gap between society’s rich and poor can have ugly consequences. Countries with greater income inequality have higher rates of teen pregnancy, infant mortality, obesity, mental illness, drug use, imprisonment, and homicide than countries where wealth is more evenly distributed, according to research by epidemiologists Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett.

In the U.S., measures like the progressive income tax, Medicaid, and welfare are used to address income inequality, but some economists and advocates say that we should go further. Nations like Austria, Belgium, and the Netherlands spend 7% to 8% of national income on social services for working-age people, compared to 2% in the U.S.

That figure is unlikely to change, however, as polls show that Americans believe people get ahead in life by virtue of their own efforts. “If you think the process is just, you might think the outcome is just, even though some people are homeless and others are very comfortable,” says Gary Burtless of the Brookings Institution.

So, in you far left socialist Loony world, the people that strive to get ahead, work hard to get an education and a good job, maybe work two jobs to pay the mortgage or the tuition, should share the results of their sweat and tears with the Joe Sixpacks of the world who's only effort to get an education is reading the sports page.

Sorry Charlie, that's not what the founding fathers had in mind. Go to France and take your Marxism with you. What's made America great is the ability to determine your own destiny according to your own abilities and vision.

Yes, the government should provide healthcare for those physically unable to provide for themselves, but stay out of my pocket, I'm not paying for Joe Sixpack. All the Tea Party adherents will send this message loud and clear in Nov.

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