ACORN at it again.

[Guest Paul]

Amazing, you just said the reason he got the nomination and got your vote is because he's a good speaker. The fact that he had no management experience, never held public office, had minimal experience in the Senate, associated with known domestic terrorists, attended a church with a racist, radical minister had no bearing on your vote. His gift of gab and your white guilt decided for you.

Deny it all you like, you know that a white, first term senator with no management experience, no previous elected office, associated with known domestic terrorists, attended a church for 20 years with a radical, racist minister and whose previous job was a community organizer (but was a good speaker) wouldn't have a chance of getting elected.

So what's the difference between this imaginary white senator and Obama?

Come on Paul, man up. You know I'm right, being black got him elected. Anyone capable of a clear thought can see this.

What I know about you is that you are radically right wing and that you have no respect for anyone who does share your extreme political views. You completely distorted what I wrote, as I've just pointed out in another post. You also ignored the multitude of facts that completely demolish your conclusion.

President Barack Obama is on the brink of guiding the passage of national health care legislation, something presidents have been trying to do for nearly 100 years. He has already steered us to a turning point from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and deserves for more credit for that than he is getting. Those are huge accomplishments; he has achieved them in only a few months in office. His intelligence, his vision for our country, his leadership skills, his calmness under pressure and his in-depth grasp of the issues made him the best person for the office.

[Guest Former Democrat]

Funny thing, back in 2000, one of the things the Democrats were using as a negative about George W Bush, was the fact that he had no Foreign Policy Experience as Governor of Texas, yet that suddenly was no longer an issue in the 2008 Campaign. President Obama beat Hillary Clinton and their "Machine" because at the end of the day, they couldnt REALLY attack him without being branded as Racists. The only REALLY effective voice they had against him was the Rev. Manning, who went SO far over the top as to make himself irrelevant with his "Long-legged Mack Daddy" reference, and the disparaging Remarks about the now President's Mother. The other blacks that had originally been in the Clinton Camp jumped ship soon afterwards, and even though Hillary might have been married to "The First African-American President" as President Clinton had been referred to, in the end that tie wasnt strong enough. His OWN PARTY, or at least one faction therof tried to "Rev Wright" him, and failed miserably. He also had a HUGE advantage over Hillary in that she is REALLY Not a likeable person. She's Shrill, and has visibly lost her temper more than once since entering Public Life, and, let's face it, MOST people were just TIRED of the "Dynasties" People looked at her and saw "More CLinton" whereas Obama Promised "Change" even though he never really definied in what way. President Obama does REALLY well when he has a prepared Speech in front of him, he does NOT do as well when things aren't scripted, he gets flustered, he get's annoyed..all of the things we were kept from seeing in the campaign. The thing is that Someone needs to drive home the point that he's WON. It's time to stop campaigning, and start actually LEADING. The Health Care issue is screwed up because he has failed to show Leadership. It's HIS baby, it partly why he was elected, HE SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT how He wanted it. Instead he tried to insulate himself just in case it DIDNT work, and falied miserably because Congress is the place where good ideas go to Die, NOT the place where great ideas are born. If President Obama wants a Leacy with Health care, he needs to sit down, Define a COUPLE of points and reforms, then work to get those passed. once he shows that THAT works, he can expand on it. Instead he did the same thing he did with the Stimulus...Chicken Little running around saying "We need to do this Now, Now Now Now". That's what we heard in February "If this isnt passed the economy is doomed" Ok, so it was passed..and out of the Trillion Dollars, only about 4% have actually been spent, and the Infrastructure Projects that were supposed to be the backbone of the recovery aren't even Scheduled for another 4 years.

I voted for Obama even though I was hesitent to do so because of his Bill Ayres, Rev. Wright connection, in addition to his very thin resume. I was especially concerned with his lack of management experience; community organizer wasn't something I would consider a plus.

I think now however, his lack of management experience is beginning to show. He's trying to hard to make a name for himself in presidential history by trying to ram through this ill-conceived government takeover of the healthcare system.

Baby steps are called for here, try it out in one state for a year, make adjustments as needed before dropping it on the nation.

But I think this thing has become personal with him, it's him against everyone that doesn't want it, and that's not the way a president should behave.

I'll admit my high hopes for him are pretty much gone, I see Obama's presidency going no where but down from here.

And if he tries to ram though a healthcare plan with 50 votes there'll be a bloodbath in Congress in 2010.

[WilliamK]

No, he gained prominence because of a speech he read off a teleprompter. Well, what about the speech writer? He should have been named Secretary of State, at least.

The author of Barack Obama's 2004 convention speech is Barack Obama. And who authored his phenomenal "More Perfect Union" speech? Again, the author was Barack Obama. Even the speeches in which he uses a speech writer are not just handed to him ready-to-read, but are the product of a lot of input to and interaction with the writer.

The idea that Barack Obama's phenomenal oratory ability is just reading other people's words from a teleprompter is just one of the ever-growing repertoire of right-wing lies. Not a distortion. Not an understatement. Not an omission. Not an error. But a deliberate, bald faced, LIE.

Former Democrat? Good riddance.

[Guest 2smart4u]

When is our democratic congress going to cut off the millions of dollars being funneled to this criminal enterprise named ACORN? They're being investigated in 12 states for election fraud, intimidating voters at polls in a number of states and stealing funds.

Now they've been recorded advising a pimp and prostitute how to bring in underage girls from South America, how to set up a brothel, how to avoid paying taxes on the brothel and how to register the girls as "dependents".

Considering this is a racist organization with origins in Chicago, and the annointed one is also from Chicago, my guess is this will be swept under the rug and ACORN will continue to receive millions of taxpayer dollars.

With 33 secret Czars and ACORN being paid taxpayer dollars, can I get any leftist on KOTW to finally admit something smells rotten in the White House?

Looks like I was right about ACORN. The Senate has voted to cut off funding for this corrupt criminal organization yesterday. Since Obama was a lawyer

for this criminal organization (no surprise there) it will be interesting to see if he speaks out against these criminals and their illegal activities.

[Guest 2smart4u]

What I know about you is that you are radically right wing and that you have no respect for anyone who does share your extreme political views. You completely distorted what I wrote, as I've just pointed out in another post. You also ignored the multitude of facts that completely demolish your conclusion.

President Barack Obama is on the brink of guiding the passage of national health care legislation, something presidents have been trying to do for nearly 100 years. He has already steered us to a turning point from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and deserves for more credit for that than he is getting. Those are huge accomplishments; he has achieved them in only a few months in office. His intelligence, his vision for our country, his leadership skills, his calmness under pressure and his in-depth grasp of the issues made him the best person for the office.

"His vision for our country" is the problem, something you don't get. Obama wants to turn America into a socialist state that was never envisioned by our

founding fathers. Why you leftists think we'd be better off like France is beyond me. What do you have against independence, self-reliance and the entrepreneurial spirit which made this country great?

BTW, the Tea Party's have had their desired effect. The "Public Option" is dead and every democratic senator that doesn't want to lose in 2010 is running away the idea.

[Guest Paul]

"His vision for our country" is the problem, something you don't get. Obama wants to turn America into a socialist state that was never envisioned by our founding fathers. Why you leftists think we'd be better off like France is beyond me. What do you have against independence, self-reliance and the entrepreneurial spirit which made this country great?

What do you have against being honest? Obama does not want America to become a socialist state. On the contrary, like FDR, he is trying to preserve capitalism by curbing its excesses.

As for our founding fathers, they could not have envisioned our 21st century economy. They had almost none of this technology in the late 1700s. The financial and transportation and manufacturing sectors looked nothing like they look now. If they lived today, they would have to deal with economic reality as it is, not as it was then.

You can't analyze these matters with any intelligence without accounting for the rise of the giant multinational corporation and the global economy. Think these things through, then make an intelligent comment about how we are going to live in this world with those realities.

All you ever do is make indefensible, over-the-top claims that have no basis in fact. You just repeat your talking points over and over.

[Guest 2smart4u]

Looks like I was right about ACORN. The Senate has voted to cut off funding for this corrupt criminal organization yesterday. Since Obama was a lawyer

for this criminal organization (no surprise there) it will be interesting to see if he speaks out against these criminals and their illegal activities.

All the Loonys must agree that I was right about ACORN, not one has called me a liar or asked me to cite a source. They must be all watching FOX.

[Guest ko]

All the Loonys must agree that I was right about ACORN, not one has called me a liar or asked me to cite a source. They must be all watching FOX.

You were right about this one.

[Guest Guest]

All the Loonys must agree that I was right about ACORN, not one has called me a liar or asked me to cite a source. They must be all watching FOX.

Your are crazy. What is wrong with what they are doing? All us Dems love Acorn. They keep the money flowing.

Watch Nancy Pelosi come to their defence.

How much Acorn money is floating around here? How could they muster 7 votes in their defence

[Guest Guest]

All the Loonys must agree that I was right about ACORN, not one has called me a liar or asked me to cite a source. They must be all watching FOX.

You got one partly right (you must have made a mistake) then you distorted it again.

It's pretty damned funny that you think anyone has to answer to you on owning up to what you write.

[Guest Guest]

All the Loonys must agree that I was right about ACORN, not one has called me a liar or asked me to cite a source. They must be all watching FOX.

The Senate did cut off funding but the organization is not criminal, unless you think registering Democrats to vote is criminal - which you do.

[Guest SmKat]

All the Loonys must agree that I was right about ACORN, not one has called me a liar or asked me to cite a source. They must be all watching FOX.

I have to be honest here....I really think that this country has MANY more important things to worry about than what ACORN is doing. And if everyone else doesn't have enough to worry about, I sure as hell do. I could really care less about ACORN and its problems.

Give it up already and start discussing real issues. And by discuss, I mean do so intelligently. Stop lying and start answering the questions/challenges people are posing to you.

Until then, stop wasting our time.

[Guest 2smart4u]

What do you have against being honest? Obama does not want America to become a socialist state. On the contrary, like FDR, he is trying to preserve capitalism by curbing its excesses.

As for our founding fathers, they could not have envisioned our 21st century economy. They had almost none of this technology in the late 1700s. The financial and transportation and manufacturing sectors looked nothing like they look now. If they lived today, they would have to deal with economic reality as it is, not as it was then.

You can't analyze these matters with any intelligence without accounting for the rise of the giant multinational corporation and the global economy. Think these things through, then make an intelligent comment about how we are going to live in this world with those realities.

All you ever do is make indefensible, over-the-top claims that have no basis in fact. You just repeat your talking points over and over.

Socialist state or government nanny state, take your pick. Either one, that's what Obama's vision of America is. You have to take off your blinders to see it though. The NY Slimes and MSNBC have you so totally brainwashed you no longer know the difference between democracy and marxism.

Just like the 7 senators that voted against cutting off funding for ACORN, you defy logic.

[Guest ko]

Socialist state or government nanny state, take your pick. Either one, that's what Obama's vision of America is. You have to take off your blinders to see it though. The NY Slimes and MSNBC have you so totally brainwashed you no longer know the difference between democracy and marxism.

Just like the 7 senators that voted against cutting off funding for ACORN, you defy logic.

I'm sorry, man. Talk all the shit you want about MSNBC, but don't bash NY Times. It's the best newspaper in America. We're talking about a newspaper that is read around the world. A newspaper whose weekend magazine is better than Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News combined. Yeah, their editorials are usually pretty slanted, but those are OPINIONS anyway -- clearly stated in any newspaper. You do know that the Op-Ed section is not technically considered news, right? Please, man, don't make this about where people get their news. You get yours on cable... from idiots. And anybody who relies on MSNBC for their primary news source, shame on you too. You're just as bad as this asshole.

[Guest keith]

Socialist state or government nanny state, take your pick. Either one, that's what Obama's vision of America is. You have to take off your blinders to see it though. The NY Slimes and MSNBC have you so totally brainwashed you no longer know the difference between democracy and marxism.

Just like the 7 senators that voted against cutting off funding for ACORN, you defy logic.

You have got to be shittin' me. Can you show me anyplace where MSNBC for example has knowingly lied, knowingly deceived or distorted the thruth or simply made a mistake without correcting it? FOX news on the other hand.........................

[Guest Guest]

Socialist state or government nanny state, take your pick. Either one, that's what Obama's vision of America is. You have to take off your blinders to see it though. The NY Slimes and MSNBC have you so totally brainwashed you no longer know the difference between democracy and marxism.

Just like the 7 senators that voted against cutting off funding for ACORN, you defy logic.

You are a complete idiot, getting your misinformation from Fox and then calling someone else brainwashed.

An ACORN employee did something wrong. Why does that damn the whole organization?

I notice you don't say a word about the problem of corporate power in the global economy. You're the one with the blinders, obviously.

[Guest 2smart4u]

You are a complete idiot, getting your misinformation from Fox and then calling someone else brainwashed.

An ACORN employee did something wrong. Why does that damn the whole organization?

I notice you don't say a word about the problem of corporate power in the global economy. You're the one with the blinders, obviously.

"An" ACORN employee ?? Apparently MSNBC didn't cover the 30 ACORN employees arrested for voter registration fraud or the 6 ACORN offices that were caught in the video stings giving advise on criminal activities.

BTW, Fox had this story covered from day 1. NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC and CNN reluctantly picked it up on day 5, and only then because the story was so

big they had to cover it. The Slimes buried it on page 37.

More proof that mainstream news is corrupt. Fox News, Fair and Balanced.

[Guest Guest]

You are a complete idiot, getting your misinformation from Fox and then calling someone else brainwashed.

An ACORN employee did something wrong. Why does that damn the whole organization?

I notice you don't say a word about the problem of corporate power in the global economy. You're the one with the blinders, obviously.

If it was One employee, or even One OFFICE..you might have a point..the Problem is we have FIVE offices, the most recent of which one of the workers First tells the investigator that he "Has Contacts" in Mexico that can assist with smuggling the girls, then goes on to ask how much it'd cost for some "Time" with the female film maker. Of course the most amusing thing i've heard so far was a reporter on one of the radio stations ONLY story on this was some Acorn workers being fored for giving "Improper Tax Advice" The mere fact that Jon Stewart has jumped in on this and is going after them as well should be enough to have the SMART liberals distancing themselves from this nightmare...but NOOOOOOO Not here at KOTW.

[Guest Guest]

"An" ACORN employee ?? Apparently MSNBC didn't cover the 30 ACORN employees arrested for voter registration fraud or the 6 ACORN offices that were caught in the video stings giving advise on criminal activities.

BTW, Fox had this story covered from day 1. NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC and CNN reluctantly picked it up on day 5, and only then because the story was so

big they had to cover it. The Slimes buried it on page 37.

More proof that mainstream news is corrupt. Fox News, Fair and Balanced.

Provide a credible link, scumbag.

[Guest Paul]

ACORN has a problem, there's no getting around it. I hope that they will clean up their act but that's not easy because they don't have the funds to pay their workers decently. So they get workers who aren't very responsible.

It galls me that the right scores points on this. They didn't get into this because of any concern about integrity; they got into it because of their political agenda. ACORN was registering Democrats to vote and the right didn't like it.

But the fact remains that the behavior of these individuals at ACORN cannot be defended and is big enough to have given the organization a major problem. I hope this shakedown will be an impetus for the organization to improve itself or for a new and more responsible organization to arise to take its place. What is fundamentally wrong is the disenfranchisement of millions of poor people. The Republicans have no moral ground on this.

[Guest 2smart4u]

ACORN has a problem, there's no getting around it. I hope that they will clean up their act but that's not easy because they don't have the funds to pay their workers decently. So they get workers who aren't very responsible.

It galls me that the right scores points on this. They didn't get into this because of any concern about integrity; they got into it because of their political agenda. ACORN was registering Democrats to vote and the right didn't like it.

But the fact remains that the behavior of these individuals at ACORN cannot be defended and is big enough to have given the organization a major problem. I hope this shakedown will be an impetus for the organization to improve itself or for a new and more responsible organization to arise to take its place. What is fundamentally wrong is the disenfranchisement of millions of poor people. The Republicans have no moral ground on this.

"ACORN has a problem". Yeah Paul, I'd say they have a problem. 32 arrested in 4 states for voter registration fraud, millions of dollars missing, 6 video stings showing rampant criminal behavior among ACORN employees, the Senate cutting off funding, Attorney Generals in many states starting criminal investigations. Why am I not surprised that Obama paid ACORN almost one million dollars during his campaign to register "voters".

The Republicans have no moral ground on this? Must I remind you this is radical far left democratic criminal organization? Can't spin this one, Paul.