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Why is Harrison being held responsible for the securty at the stadium? All the other stadiums have thier own security. Meadowlands only had thier own security. NO police. Now we, the Harrison Tax payers are going to have to pay for them also. F**k that! Close the f**ken stadium down. There is too much trouble in the foresight. The state put it there let them worry about that. What is wrong with you Harrison! And what about Newrk, they are right across the bridge, can't they chip in after all its most of thier people to come into Harrison to see the game. I could care less about thoes games. Or put some of the town workers that are still on the payroll doing nothing to help out. Transfer them. If they don't like it than its lay off also for them. There is always someone looking to step into your work boots! Remember that! There are ALOT of people that would be thrilled to have a security job at that stadium and not PAID by HARRISON, Fatso! YOu can also use the fireman that are sleeping in thier nice cozy beds in the fire houses at night. They are making a fat salary to sleep. Tain them in crowd control. WTimes to wake some lazy big paying ases up to do something for this town or out you go!
PS: I am not Barney whoever he is!
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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:04 PM
Guest, on Mar 22 2010, 03:21 AM, said:
Why is Harrison being held responsible for the securty at the stadium? All the other stadiums have thier own security. Meadowlands only had thier own security. NO police. Now we, the Harrison Tax payers are going to have to pay for them also. F**k that! Close the f**ken stadium down. There is too much trouble in the foresight. The state put it there let them worry about that. What is wrong with you Harrison! And what about Newrk, they are right across the bridge, can't they chip in after all its most of thier people to come into Harrison to see the game. I could care less about thoes games. Or put some of the town workers that are still on the payroll doing nothing to help out. Transfer them. If they don't like it than its lay off also for them. There is always someone looking to step into your work boots! Remember that! There are ALOT of people that would be thrilled to have a security job at that stadium and not PAID by HARRISON, Fatso! YOu can also use the fireman that are sleeping in thier nice cozy beds in the fire houses at night. They are making a fat salary to sleep. Tain them in crowd control. WTimes to wake some lazy big paying ases up to do something for this town or out you go!
PS: I am not Barney whoever he is!
PS: I am not Barney whoever he is!
By now everyone has read about what a nice stadium we have, and those who went said a good time was had by all. You even read about how our whole town was a mess with traffic for the whole day. Some of you may even have seen some of the groups parked around town drinking it up because there is no tailgating allowed at the stadium. Many game goers just picked random spots thruout the town to party. What you didn't hear about are the piles of beer cans that were left all around, outside of the stadium. Also there were no outside toilets to accommodate those who came early, so guess where they went. The best part is that the Town sent in the DPW to clean up the mess after the game courtesy of the Harrison Tax Payer. Our men, our trucks, our street cleaners. Guess how much the Red Bulls payed in taxes so far, nada. Welcome Red Bulls. You really improved the quality of life here in Harrison.
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Posted 23 March 2010 - 05:10 PM
Guest, on Mar 23 2010, 01:04 PM, said:
By now everyone has read about what a nice stadium we have, and those who went said a good time was had by all. You even read about how our whole town was a mess with traffic for the whole day. Some of you may even have seen some of the groups parked around town drinking it up because there is no tailgating allowed at the stadium. Many game goers just picked random spots thruout the town to party. What you didn't hear about are the piles of beer cans that were left all around, outside of the stadium. Also there were no outside toilets to accommodate those who came early, so guess where they went. The best part is that the Town sent in the DPW to clean up the mess after the game courtesy of the Harrison Tax Payer. Our men, our trucks, our street cleaners. Guess how much the Red Bulls payed in taxes so far, nada. Welcome Red Bulls. You really improved the quality of life here in Harrison.
Harrison is really a joke....Im glad I don't live there....
#4 *BlueTideBacker*
Posted 23 March 2010 - 07:34 PM
Guest, on Mar 23 2010, 01:04 PM, said:
By now everyone has read about what a nice stadium we have, and those who went said a good time was had by all. You even read about how our whole town was a mess with traffic for the whole day. Some of you may even have seen some of the groups parked around town drinking it up because there is no tailgating allowed at the stadium. Many game goers just picked random spots thruout the town to party. What you didn't hear about are the piles of beer cans that were left all around, outside of the stadium. Also there were no outside toilets to accommodate those who came early, so guess where they went. The best part is that the Town sent in the DPW to clean up the mess after the game courtesy of the Harrison Tax Payer. Our men, our trucks, our street cleaners. Guess how much the Red Bulls payed in taxes so far, nada. Welcome Red Bulls. You really improved the quality of life here in Harrison.
Harrison borrowed 40+ million to help finance this fiasco and our DPW has to clean up after them ??
The Red Bulls should be providing porta johns, clean-up crews, private security and paying the overtime for the HPD for traffic control and to maintain a presence there.
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Posted 23 March 2010 - 10:27 PM
BlueTideBacker, on Mar 23 2010, 08:34 PM, said:
Harrison borrowed 40+ million to help finance this fiasco and our DPW has to clean up after them ??
The Red Bulls should be providing porta johns, clean-up crews, private security and paying the overtime for the HPD for traffic control and to maintain a presence there.
The Red Bulls should be providing porta johns, clean-up crews, private security and paying the overtime for the HPD for traffic control and to maintain a presence there.
From what I understood they were paying the HPD guys at the stadium. (The Red Bulls) from what I understand HPD gets first shot at the extra pay, then ENPD, then Hudson County Sheriffs, paid by the Red Bulls, for the police actually on premises.
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 07:24 PM
Doc13mets, on Mar 23 2010, 10:27 PM, said:
From what I understood they were paying the HPD guys at the stadium. (The Red Bulls) from what I understand HPD gets first shot at the extra pay, then ENPD, then Hudson County Sheriffs, paid by the Red Bulls, for the police actually on premises.
Good for Kearny for sticking to their guns and REFUSING to work at that monstrosity. What the ENPD and Sheriff's guys DONT seem to realize, is that when some Drunken Moron runs them over, or the inevitable Fight breaks out and one of them gets Seriously hurt, their pensions will be void....since according to state law they are now NO LONGER "Police Officers", but Merely "Security Officers"
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 09:19 PM
Guest, on Mar 25 2010, 07:24 PM, said:
Good for Kearny for sticking to their guns and REFUSING to work at that monstrosity. What the ENPD and Sheriff's guys DONT seem to realize, is that when some Drunken Moron runs them over, or the inevitable Fight breaks out and one of them gets Seriously hurt, their pensions will be void....since according to state law they are now NO LONGER "Police Officers", but Merely "Security Officers"
This is one of the dumbest posts I've read in a while. If a cop is working OT at a job approved by his department, it doesn't matter what he's doing, he's a cop, he's covered.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 02:25 AM
Guest, on Mar 25 2010, 07:24 PM, said:
Good for Kearny for sticking to their guns and REFUSING to work at that monstrosity. What the ENPD and Sheriff's guys DONT seem to realize, is that when some Drunken Moron runs them over, or the inevitable Fight breaks out and one of them gets Seriously hurt, their pensions will be void....since according to state law they are now NO LONGER "Police Officers", but Merely "Security Officers"
Better get your facts straight. The officers working the stadium assignment are governed under the town of Harrison in case of any injury. God forbid any are injured, they will sit back and collect their pension, and deservedly so....
#10 *Guest*
Posted 26 March 2010 - 10:26 AM
Maybe it's high time for Harrison and other local police departments in this country to do what the City of Montreal has been doing for the past 12 years with its Police Department. It has a "Business Development Unit" which actually GENERATES REVENUE for its city. It's an interesting concept.
The transcript is from a brief NPR interview:
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TEXT OF STORY
Steve Chiotakis: We've heard of people moonlighting to make ends meet, but an entire police force? The police department in Montreal, Quebec, has been generating a little extra revenue with its own "Commercial Unit." Marketplace's Sean Cole did a little digging.
Sean Cole: So the commercial unit has been around for about 12 years. The idea is to take the burden off of taxpayers. Everything on the menu is provided by off-duty officers and cadets. Crisis management training, background checks, security detail for film shoots. Which for me posed the following question:
Cole: Have you ever heard the phrase "Rent-a-Cop?"
Gino Dube: "Rent-a-Cop?" If I've heard that before? Yeah, I've heard that before. It's very pejorative.
Gino Dube is commander of the Business Development Unit, which comes up with new ideas for making money. He says the phrase "Rent-a-Cop" isn't fair. These are real officers charging for expert work. For example, the band U2 is coming to Montreal for a couple of gigs in June.
Dube: They're gonna be here for two days. We have to provide the public safety. We deliver the regular service.
That is without charging.
Dube: Now if they ask for escort, if they ask for the more specifical duty, now we commercialize the service.
The unit raised about $4 million this way last year, but just a tiny fraction of Montreal's overall police budget. Still the city cut that budget by $20 million last year. How else, Dube says, do we make up Le Difference?
Dube: Do we charge more taxes to the citizen to keep the number of police officers on the street the same? Or we cut some jobs.
But the Quebec Association for the Security Industry doesn't like the police muscling onto its playing field. Daniel Croteau is on the board:
Daniel Croteau: The police need to be neutral. Citizen need to see the police officer as a police officer. Not police officer as maybe a security guard sometime.
Plus it means unwelcome competition, he says. Interestingly, Croteau himself used to dream of being a police officer.
Yeah, at the beginning of my career yeah definitely. To serve and protect. For the people. Not for a company.
Anyhow, the police say they're not trying to start a war with private companies. We're police, one lieutenant told me -- we're not business people.
I'm Sean Cole for Marketplace.
END OF STORY
_____________________________________________
The transcript is from a brief NPR interview:
________________________________________
TEXT OF STORY
Steve Chiotakis: We've heard of people moonlighting to make ends meet, but an entire police force? The police department in Montreal, Quebec, has been generating a little extra revenue with its own "Commercial Unit." Marketplace's Sean Cole did a little digging.
Sean Cole: So the commercial unit has been around for about 12 years. The idea is to take the burden off of taxpayers. Everything on the menu is provided by off-duty officers and cadets. Crisis management training, background checks, security detail for film shoots. Which for me posed the following question:
Cole: Have you ever heard the phrase "Rent-a-Cop?"
Gino Dube: "Rent-a-Cop?" If I've heard that before? Yeah, I've heard that before. It's very pejorative.
Gino Dube is commander of the Business Development Unit, which comes up with new ideas for making money. He says the phrase "Rent-a-Cop" isn't fair. These are real officers charging for expert work. For example, the band U2 is coming to Montreal for a couple of gigs in June.
Dube: They're gonna be here for two days. We have to provide the public safety. We deliver the regular service.
That is without charging.
Dube: Now if they ask for escort, if they ask for the more specifical duty, now we commercialize the service.
The unit raised about $4 million this way last year, but just a tiny fraction of Montreal's overall police budget. Still the city cut that budget by $20 million last year. How else, Dube says, do we make up Le Difference?
Dube: Do we charge more taxes to the citizen to keep the number of police officers on the street the same? Or we cut some jobs.
But the Quebec Association for the Security Industry doesn't like the police muscling onto its playing field. Daniel Croteau is on the board:
Daniel Croteau: The police need to be neutral. Citizen need to see the police officer as a police officer. Not police officer as maybe a security guard sometime.
Plus it means unwelcome competition, he says. Interestingly, Croteau himself used to dream of being a police officer.
Yeah, at the beginning of my career yeah definitely. To serve and protect. For the people. Not for a company.
Anyhow, the police say they're not trying to start a war with private companies. We're police, one lieutenant told me -- we're not business people.
I'm Sean Cole for Marketplace.
END OF STORY
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#11 *Guest*
Posted 26 March 2010 - 01:48 PM
Guest, on Mar 26 2010, 10:26 AM, said:
Maybe it's high time for Harrison and other local police departments in this country to do what the City of Montreal has been doing for the past 12 years with its Police Department. It has a "Business Development Unit" which actually GENERATES REVENUE for its city. It's an interesting concept.
The transcript is from a brief NPR interview:
________________________________________
TEXT OF STORY
Steve Chiotakis: We've heard of people moonlighting to make ends meet, but an entire police force? The police department in Montreal, Quebec, has been generating a little extra revenue with its own "Commercial Unit." Marketplace's Sean Cole did a little digging.
Sean Cole: So the commercial unit has been around for about 12 years. The idea is to take the burden off of taxpayers. Everything on the menu is provided by off-duty officers and cadets. Crisis management training, background checks, security detail for film shoots. Which for me posed the following question:
Cole: Have you ever heard the phrase "Rent-a-Cop?"
Gino Dube: "Rent-a-Cop?" If I've heard that before? Yeah, I've heard that before. It's very pejorative.
Gino Dube is commander of the Business Development Unit, which comes up with new ideas for making money. He says the phrase "Rent-a-Cop" isn't fair. These are real officers charging for expert work. For example, the band U2 is coming to Montreal for a couple of gigs in June.
Dube: They're gonna be here for two days. We have to provide the public safety. We deliver the regular service.
That is without charging.
Dube: Now if they ask for escort, if they ask for the more specifical duty, now we commercialize the service.
The unit raised about $4 million this way last year, but just a tiny fraction of Montreal's overall police budget. Still the city cut that budget by $20 million last year. How else, Dube says, do we make up Le Difference?
Dube: Do we charge more taxes to the citizen to keep the number of police officers on the street the same? Or we cut some jobs.
But the Quebec Association for the Security Industry doesn't like the police muscling onto its playing field. Daniel Croteau is on the board:
Daniel Croteau: The police need to be neutral. Citizen need to see the police officer as a police officer. Not police officer as maybe a security guard sometime.
Plus it means unwelcome competition, he says. Interestingly, Croteau himself used to dream of being a police officer.
Yeah, at the beginning of my career yeah definitely. To serve and protect. For the people. Not for a company.
Anyhow, the police say they're not trying to start a war with private companies. We're police, one lieutenant told me -- we're not business people.
I'm Sean Cole for Marketplace.
END OF STORY
_____________________________________________
The transcript is from a brief NPR interview:
________________________________________
TEXT OF STORY
Steve Chiotakis: We've heard of people moonlighting to make ends meet, but an entire police force? The police department in Montreal, Quebec, has been generating a little extra revenue with its own "Commercial Unit." Marketplace's Sean Cole did a little digging.
Sean Cole: So the commercial unit has been around for about 12 years. The idea is to take the burden off of taxpayers. Everything on the menu is provided by off-duty officers and cadets. Crisis management training, background checks, security detail for film shoots. Which for me posed the following question:
Cole: Have you ever heard the phrase "Rent-a-Cop?"
Gino Dube: "Rent-a-Cop?" If I've heard that before? Yeah, I've heard that before. It's very pejorative.
Gino Dube is commander of the Business Development Unit, which comes up with new ideas for making money. He says the phrase "Rent-a-Cop" isn't fair. These are real officers charging for expert work. For example, the band U2 is coming to Montreal for a couple of gigs in June.
Dube: They're gonna be here for two days. We have to provide the public safety. We deliver the regular service.
That is without charging.
Dube: Now if they ask for escort, if they ask for the more specifical duty, now we commercialize the service.
The unit raised about $4 million this way last year, but just a tiny fraction of Montreal's overall police budget. Still the city cut that budget by $20 million last year. How else, Dube says, do we make up Le Difference?
Dube: Do we charge more taxes to the citizen to keep the number of police officers on the street the same? Or we cut some jobs.
But the Quebec Association for the Security Industry doesn't like the police muscling onto its playing field. Daniel Croteau is on the board:
Daniel Croteau: The police need to be neutral. Citizen need to see the police officer as a police officer. Not police officer as maybe a security guard sometime.
Plus it means unwelcome competition, he says. Interestingly, Croteau himself used to dream of being a police officer.
Yeah, at the beginning of my career yeah definitely. To serve and protect. For the people. Not for a company.
Anyhow, the police say they're not trying to start a war with private companies. We're police, one lieutenant told me -- we're not business people.
I'm Sean Cole for Marketplace.
END OF STORY
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 02:14 PM
Guest, on Mar 26 2010, 10:26 AM, said:
Maybe it's high time for Harrison and other local police departments in this country to do what the City of Montreal has been doing for the past 12 years with its Police Department. It has a "Business Development Unit" which actually GENERATES REVENUE for its city. It's an interesting concept.
The transcript is from a brief NPR interview:
________________________________________
TEXT OF STORY
Steve Chiotakis: We've heard of people moonlighting to make ends meet, but an entire police force? The police department in Montreal, Quebec, has been generating a little extra revenue with its own "Commercial Unit." Marketplace's Sean Cole did a little digging.
Sean Cole: So the commercial unit has been around for about 12 years. The idea is to take the burden off of taxpayers. Everything on the menu is provided by off-duty officers and cadets. Crisis management training, background checks, security detail for film shoots. Which for me posed the following question:
Cole: Have you ever heard the phrase "Rent-a-Cop?"
Gino Dube: "Rent-a-Cop?" If I've heard that before? Yeah, I've heard that before. It's very pejorative.
Gino Dube is commander of the Business Development Unit, which comes up with new ideas for making money. He says the phrase "Rent-a-Cop" isn't fair. These are real officers charging for expert work. For example, the band U2 is coming to Montreal for a couple of gigs in June.
Dube: They're gonna be here for two days. We have to provide the public safety. We deliver the regular service.
That is without charging.
Dube: Now if they ask for escort, if they ask for the more specifical duty, now we commercialize the service.
The unit raised about $4 million this way last year, but just a tiny fraction of Montreal's overall police budget. Still the city cut that budget by $20 million last year. How else, Dube says, do we make up Le Difference?
Dube: Do we charge more taxes to the citizen to keep the number of police officers on the street the same? Or we cut some jobs.
But the Quebec Association for the Security Industry doesn't like the police muscling onto its playing field. Daniel Croteau is on the board:
Daniel Croteau: The police need to be neutral. Citizen need to see the police officer as a police officer. Not police officer as maybe a security guard sometime.
Plus it means unwelcome competition, he says. Interestingly, Croteau himself used to dream of being a police officer.
Yeah, at the beginning of my career yeah definitely. To serve and protect. For the people. Not for a company.
Anyhow, the police say they're not trying to start a war with private companies. We're police, one lieutenant told me -- we're not business people.
I'm Sean Cole for Marketplace.
END OF STORY
_____________________________________________
The transcript is from a brief NPR interview:
________________________________________
TEXT OF STORY
Steve Chiotakis: We've heard of people moonlighting to make ends meet, but an entire police force? The police department in Montreal, Quebec, has been generating a little extra revenue with its own "Commercial Unit." Marketplace's Sean Cole did a little digging.
Sean Cole: So the commercial unit has been around for about 12 years. The idea is to take the burden off of taxpayers. Everything on the menu is provided by off-duty officers and cadets. Crisis management training, background checks, security detail for film shoots. Which for me posed the following question:
Cole: Have you ever heard the phrase "Rent-a-Cop?"
Gino Dube: "Rent-a-Cop?" If I've heard that before? Yeah, I've heard that before. It's very pejorative.
Gino Dube is commander of the Business Development Unit, which comes up with new ideas for making money. He says the phrase "Rent-a-Cop" isn't fair. These are real officers charging for expert work. For example, the band U2 is coming to Montreal for a couple of gigs in June.
Dube: They're gonna be here for two days. We have to provide the public safety. We deliver the regular service.
That is without charging.
Dube: Now if they ask for escort, if they ask for the more specifical duty, now we commercialize the service.
The unit raised about $4 million this way last year, but just a tiny fraction of Montreal's overall police budget. Still the city cut that budget by $20 million last year. How else, Dube says, do we make up Le Difference?
Dube: Do we charge more taxes to the citizen to keep the number of police officers on the street the same? Or we cut some jobs.
But the Quebec Association for the Security Industry doesn't like the police muscling onto its playing field. Daniel Croteau is on the board:
Daniel Croteau: The police need to be neutral. Citizen need to see the police officer as a police officer. Not police officer as maybe a security guard sometime.
Plus it means unwelcome competition, he says. Interestingly, Croteau himself used to dream of being a police officer.
Yeah, at the beginning of my career yeah definitely. To serve and protect. For the people. Not for a company.
Anyhow, the police say they're not trying to start a war with private companies. We're police, one lieutenant told me -- we're not business people.
I'm Sean Cole for Marketplace.
END OF STORY
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So what about it, Police Director Doran? Good idea or not? Can you get your fellow council members on board with this?
What say you, Chief Kearns? Can you envision assigning a lieutenant to oversee this "Business Development Unit" within the force?
Come on, guys. This Town needs some money!!!
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 11:37 PM
Guest, on Mar 25 2010, 08:24 PM, said:
Good for Kearny for sticking to their guns and REFUSING to work at that monstrosity. What the ENPD and Sheriff's guys DONT seem to realize, is that when some Drunken Moron runs them over, or the inevitable Fight breaks out and one of them gets Seriously hurt, their pensions will be void....since according to state law they are now NO LONGER "Police Officers", but Merely "Security Officers"
Stupid reply. But I am assuming (I really don't know this for sure but it makes sense) Harrison gets the offer first cause its their town. Prob the only reason East Newark gets offered is because they are part of the same PBA as Harrison, then to the County Sheriff's. Kearny prob didn't even get offered or are down the list after the Sheriff's. Again don't know this is only educated speculation unlike what most people do on this board.
#17 *SORA LAW*
Posted 27 March 2010 - 09:38 AM
Guest, on Mar 25 2010, 07:24 PM, said:
Good for Kearny for sticking to their guns and REFUSING to work at that monstrosity. What the ENPD and Sheriff's guys DONT seem to realize, is that when some Drunken Moron runs them over, or the inevitable Fight breaks out and one of them gets Seriously hurt, their pensions will be void....since according to state law they are now NO LONGER "Police Officers", but Merely "Security Officers"
What you are referring to is SORA Regulations. You are mis-informed as to the Police Officers pensions being voided. I am a NJSP SORA Instructor and as long as it is going through the individual law enforcement accounts it is legal and there is no chance of losing any pensions, benefits or compensation.
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 06:41 PM
SORA LAW, on Mar 27 2010, 09:38 AM, said:
What you are referring to is SORA Regulations. You are mis-informed as to the Police Officers pensions being voided. I am a NJSP SORA Instructor and as long as it is going through the individual law enforcement accounts it is legal and there is no chance of losing any pensions, benefits or compensation.
Right..but the Red Bulls would ONLY pay through Harrison PD, not through each individual Department. Since the Kearny Guys would be paid through Harrison, and NOT Kearny, they WOULD fall under SORA, and not be exempt. THAT information came directly from the Instructor that kearny PBA was dealing with at the time. And for the record, Harrison PBA approached the Kearny PBA as soon as the Schedule was released, back in November, to try and get them on board. Once it was clear that the Red Bulls didnt want to hear about paying through each Department, Kearny collectively said "No Thanks".
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